New Garmin Overlander....What are your thoughts

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Is it worth buying?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • No

    Votes: 17 58.6%
  • A must have and putting in my order

    Votes: 1 3.4%

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Now I want to grill them more at Expo East. Any questions that that I should ask?
My only question would be "when do you plan on lowering the price to something realistic?" :laughing:

Seriously though, you could ask them "what benefits, other than some preloaded map data, makes this thing worth purchasing over a standard Android tablet that's significantly less money, and has 4x the storage space, that I can install Gaia and iOverlander on and also use it for games, movies, whatever I want, etc.?" That's an honest and relevant question - but it'll also make them sweat a little bit, which will be fun to watch. :sunglasses:
 

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My only question would be "when do you plan on lowering the price to something realistic?" :laughing:

Seriously though, you could ask them "what benefits, other than some preloaded map data, makes this thing worth purchasing over a standard Android tablet that's significantly less money, and has 4x the storage space, that I can install Gaia and iOverlander on and also use it for games, movies, whatever I want, etc.?" That's an honest and relevant question - but it'll also make them sweat a little bit, which will be fun to watch. :sunglasses:
I can probably answer that from their video's. Simple to use, Don't need do deal with all those companies and web sites, integration of software and inreach integration.

What attracted me to it is the simplicity of an all in one unit. I am learning the reality is there is no such thing. Everyone has there own particular needs. I don't even know what mine are right now. Let alone the future. The locked device probably bothers me the most. I don't use Apple products because of this proprietary BS.

I understand why they do it as people download all kinds of garbage that crashes devices. They don't want to be responsible for troubleshooting. But it irks me.

So now I need to figure out the best way to use my Android phone and MS Surface tablet. Software, Maps, GPS antenna upgrade Inreach or similar for emergencies.

I'm looking forward to Expo East. I have signed up for all the classes on this subject. Hopefully after that I can set up a semi-complete system for long term travel.
 
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I can probably answer that from their video's. Simple to use, Don't need do deal with all those companies and web sites, integration of software and inreach integration.

What attracted me to it is the simplicity of an all in one unit. I am learning the reality is there is no such thing. Everyone has there own particular needs. I don't even know what mine are right now. Let alone the future. The locked device probably bothers me the most. I don't use Apple products because of this proprietary BS.

I understand why they do it as people download all kinds of garbage that crashes devices. They don't want to be responsible for troubleshooting. But it irks me.

So now I need to figure out the best way to use my Android phone and MS Surface tablet. Software, Maps, GPS antenna upgrade Inreach or similar for emergencies.

I'm looking forward to Expo East. I have signed up for all the classes on this subject. Hopefully after that I can set up a semi-complete system for long term travel.
Let me tell you the other side because of course Garmin has your best interest at heart.

They decided the specs of the device
They lock down device
They decide what to “allow” you to load what
When they decide EOL wills to support
If they decide to charge subscription fee they will
If they get bored because apparently they are now a lifestyle fitness company they may kill off line like the did with Basecamp, MacOs support which always lags, they change apps and make your $700 device “unsupported”

Come on don’t be naive buy a tablet, load what you want 5years from now buy new version move apps over done!
 

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Let me tell you the other side because of course Garmin has your best interest at heart.

They decided the specs of the device
They lock down device
They decide what to “allow” you to load what
When they decide EOL wills to support
If they decide to charge subscription fee they will
If they get bored because apparently they are now a lifestyle fitness company they may kill off line like the did with Basecamp, MacOs support which always lags, they change apps and make your $700 device “unsupported”

Come on don’t be naive buy a tablet, load what you want 5years from now buy new version move apps over done!
Should I buy an Android tablet instead of using my Surface Pro?
 

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Buy what you like.
Android would be cheaper, give you more options in hardware and have more apps.
I went iOS because that’s the ecosystem I have.
 

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Buy what you like.
Android would be cheaper, give you more options in hardware and have more apps.
I went iOS because that’s the ecosystem I have.
I already have a surface pro. But from what I have seen you are correct there seems to be more software options with Android. Since I was considering the Overlander I guess the expense of a Android tablet is minimal. Just seems redundant if I can use a full laptop/tablet computer like the surface.
 

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Heck under $100 in some cases. Wish I wasn’t so deep into Apple ecosystem some times but I use my iPad mini for other things so worked out. 7” - 8” seems to be best size I tried a 9.7” iPad Air 2 and was it too big, heavy and took up more real estate than I wanted.
 

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I can probably answer that from their video's. Simple to use, Don't need do deal with all those companies and web sites, integration of software and inreach integration.

What attracted me to it is the simplicity of an all in one unit. I am learning the reality is there is no such thing. Everyone has there own particular needs. I don't even know what mine are right now. Let alone the future. The locked device probably bothers me the most. I don't use Apple products because of this proprietary BS.

I understand why they do it as people download all kinds of garbage that crashes devices. They don't want to be responsible for troubleshooting. But it irks me.

So now I need to figure out the best way to use my Android phone and MS Surface tablet. Software, Maps, GPS antenna upgrade Inreach or similar for emergencies.

I'm looking forward to Expo East. I have signed up for all the classes on this subject. Hopefully after that I can set up a semi-complete system for long term travel.
Yup, locked down devices irk me as well. It is attractive to a lot of folks because it plays into the desire for something that "just works out of the box." And for those who that does work for, that's great. But ultimately, it's trading short term gains for long term usefulness.

And FYI, in response to your comment about it having inReach integration, your current Android smartphone (or for anyone with an iPhone), you already have that same level of integration. You can already Bluetooth pair an inReach device to a smartphone or tablet, in exactly the same way as it works on the Overlander. Based on a quick search, it doesn't look like the MS tablets have the Earthmate app available, which you use to do the syncing, but that information could be out of date.

Looking forward to hearing about what you learn from the Expo classes!
 

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But from what I have seen you are correct there seems to be more software options with Android.
Yeah, both Android and Apple have much more active developer communities than Microsoft as far as mobile apps go, so your software options on either platform are virtually endless.
 

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Yup, locked down devices irk me as well. It is attractive to a lot of folks because it plays into the desire for something that "just works out of the box." And for those who that does work for, that's great. But ultimately, it's trading short term gains for long term usefulness.

And FYI, in response to your comment about it having inReach integration, your current Android smartphone (or for anyone with an iPhone), you already have that same level of integration. You can already Bluetooth pair an inReach device to a smartphone or tablet, in exactly the same way as it works on the Overlander. Based on a quick search, it doesn't look like the MS tablets have the Earthmate app available, which you use to do the syncing, but that information could be out of date.

Looking forward to hearing about what you learn from the Expo classes!
is Earthmate what you suggest?
 

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I see that it's the links software. I can use it on my phone. Anything other than Inreach? Or is that the way to go?
I can't speak to that personally, as I don't currently have any satellite communication devices, but the inReach devices do get really good reviews. And their subscription plans are pretty reasonable - especially if you're only planning on using it for emergencies, which the cheapest plan would cover you for.
 

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Should I buy an Android tablet instead of using my Surface Pro?
You will have a hard time finding apps for the Surface Pro. Hopefully yours you can load whatever software you like. Some of the cheaper ones can only load app from the Microsoft App store which is very limiting. This app has been around forever. I haven't used it in 10 years. Official OziExplorer Web Site - GPS Mapping Software for Tracking and Navigation. Supports Garmin, Magellan, Lowrance and GPS

As for Apple vs Android. Nearly everyone I know has been happy with switching to Apple. Unless you are a developer, like tweaking stuff , and know how to do custom installs etc you don't really need to presumed "flexibility" of an Android device. The user interface is so much better on Apple. Gaia is better in iOS.

Apples "locking down" of its devices makes them more secure. It also gives developers better tools to make great looking apps. Android suffers from similar issues as Windows. It "works" on any device. All types of screen sizes, cpus, ram, and so on. This makes is way more difficult for developers to build nice looking apps. Anyway, I probably won't change anyones mind on that subject. I have an Android phone as a back up, have owned a Nexus tablet and neither has ever made me want to switch to Android.

But as mentioned buy what you want to buy.
 

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I'm using and in-reach explorer with an i-pad or i-phone in a mount. All the maps are free, the apps are great, and you can text for help or hit the panic button if needed. Cost is minimal and a must in my opinion. You can also throw the inreach in a back pack for a day hike as needed.
 

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You will have a hard time finding apps for the Surface Pro. Hopefully yours you can load whatever software you like. Some of the cheaper ones can only load app from the Microsoft App store which is very limiting. This app has been around forever. I haven't used it in 10 years. Official OziExplorer Web Site - GPS Mapping Software for Tracking and Navigation. Supports Garmin, Magellan, Lowrance and GPS

As for Apple vs Android. Nearly everyone I know has been happy with switching to Apple. Unless you are a developer, like tweaking stuff , and know how to do custom installs etc you don't really need to presumed "flexibility" of an Android device. The user interface is so much better on Apple. Gaia is better in iOS.

Apples "locking down" of its devices makes them more secure. It also gives developers better tools to make great looking apps. Android suffers from similar issues as Windows. It "works" on any device. All types of screen sizes, cpus, ram, and so on. This makes is way more difficult for developers to build nice looking apps. Anyway, I probably won't change anyones mind on that subject. I have an Android phone as a back up, have owned a Nexus tablet and neither has ever made me want to switch to Android.

But as mentioned buy what you want to buy.
I'll be keeping my Surface pro. I found an emulator for android (Blue Stacks) it's working perfectly.
 
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