Added this video about installing the 23 Zero awning style shower enclosure and making a handy floor pan out of raft material.
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AggieOE
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Advocate II
Thats a really nice floor set up! I've always used a floor mat and it sucks to have water get all over the campsite. The drain hose is a nice solution!
Enthusiast III
Thanks,
The floor is pretty simple to cut, fold and glue. The H66 is like a whitewater rubber cement. Another option is to glue in some loops for staking the floor walls upright rather than using connective straps.
The floor is pretty simple to cut, fold and glue. The H66 is like a whitewater rubber cement. Another option is to glue in some loops for staking the floor walls upright rather than using connective straps.
Advocate III
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Very nicely done; in design, implementation, and vid showing the steps. Succinct and complete for anyone with even a modicum of skills. Big kudos.
I had a free-standing shower tent for a while (with changing/potty room and shower room with vented flat floor to keep one's feet out of resulting wetness). Worked fabulously, especially when off-grid. Though when off-grid I found I did not need the privacy as much, so rarely used it. I eventually sold it and the single room shower tent I had.
When I was using it, though, I was told once by a Ranger at a popular US national park campground that they did not allow any on-site water run-off from campers, especially if it had soap in it.
Easy to think "Oh just this once won't matter!" Though when even one in a hundred think that, it still means thousands throughout a year in popular recreation areas. And hundreds of thousands year after year. That is a lot of potentially harmful soapy runoff.
I contemplated using the deep lid from my camp kitchen (meant to come off for washing dishes, etc and deep/large enough to wash a dog) for standing in, and then dumping it in the RV waste drains. Pain to collect and dispose of properly.
In the end, I started using other methods to self-clean when in congregated areas.
When off-grid, I use as simple a bio-degradable soap as I can find for showering. I make sure when I wash I am as far from surface water as I can be (recommended is 200' - more in some literature). Even better proved to be using bird-bath methods at my sink (uses far less water and when I'm off-grid for weeks, amounts matter) and then dumping that into the DIY sump drains I'd make when off-grid for basecamp stays. Easily made: reasonably deep hole filled with available graduated aggregate. Again, a good ways away from surface water sources.
Commercial and household soaps in runoff water--especially from many visitors throughout the year when concentrated in popular recreation areas, whether nat'l, state parks, or NF or WMA areas or not--can seriously alter the biome and nature of an environment. Changes the PH dramatically. Bio-degradable does not mean not harmful to the environment.
Not saying you don't heed these rules, at all, though for the readers of this thread, it pays off in the long run and protects our wilderness areas to pay attention to where we let our waste water drain.
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Very nicely done; in design, implementation, and vid showing the steps. Succinct and complete for anyone with even a modicum of skills. Big kudos.
I had a free-standing shower tent for a while (with changing/potty room and shower room with vented flat floor to keep one's feet out of resulting wetness). Worked fabulously, especially when off-grid. Though when off-grid I found I did not need the privacy as much, so rarely used it. I eventually sold it and the single room shower tent I had.
When I was using it, though, I was told once by a Ranger at a popular US national park campground that they did not allow any on-site water run-off from campers, especially if it had soap in it.
Easy to think "Oh just this once won't matter!" Though when even one in a hundred think that, it still means thousands throughout a year in popular recreation areas. And hundreds of thousands year after year. That is a lot of potentially harmful soapy runoff.
I contemplated using the deep lid from my camp kitchen (meant to come off for washing dishes, etc and deep/large enough to wash a dog) for standing in, and then dumping it in the RV waste drains. Pain to collect and dispose of properly.
In the end, I started using other methods to self-clean when in congregated areas.
When off-grid, I use as simple a bio-degradable soap as I can find for showering. I make sure when I wash I am as far from surface water as I can be (recommended is 200' - more in some literature). Even better proved to be using bird-bath methods at my sink (uses far less water and when I'm off-grid for weeks, amounts matter) and then dumping that into the DIY sump drains I'd make when off-grid for basecamp stays. Easily made: reasonably deep hole filled with available graduated aggregate. Again, a good ways away from surface water sources.
Commercial and household soaps in runoff water--especially from many visitors throughout the year when concentrated in popular recreation areas, whether nat'l, state parks, or NF or WMA areas or not--can seriously alter the biome and nature of an environment. Changes the PH dramatically. Bio-degradable does not mean not harmful to the environment.
Not saying you don't heed these rules, at all, though for the readers of this thread, it pays off in the long run and protects our wilderness areas to pay attention to where we let our waste water drain.
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Road, Very good points!
Unlike an open floor, the pan is designed to collect the shower water. The drain line can empty into a suitable container. Or, the water can be collected in the pan itself then disconnected and dispose of.
Thanks for bringing up this point Road. I tend to assume that folks using this type of gear understand responsible use and exercise discretion. I'll add something about the subject of waste water to the YouTube description.
Regardless of public land or developed site regulations, discretion goes a long way.
For anyone that is interested in relevant USFS regulations, they can be found under 36 CFR 261.11 Sanitation and 261.16 Developed Recreation Sites.
Also 261.58d can prohibit any specific "camping equipment" with in a "developed" site when defined and posted by an order. I read a comment that a camper was told their portable toilet/shower tent was prohibited in a FS campground.
From my experience "waste water" (sink, shower...) must be captured and disposed of in most campgrounds, picnic areas, trail heads... regardless if it's NPS, USFS, BLM, State Park...
Unlike an open floor, the pan is designed to collect the shower water. The drain line can empty into a suitable container. Or, the water can be collected in the pan itself then disconnected and dispose of.
Thanks for bringing up this point Road. I tend to assume that folks using this type of gear understand responsible use and exercise discretion. I'll add something about the subject of waste water to the YouTube description.
Regardless of public land or developed site regulations, discretion goes a long way.
For anyone that is interested in relevant USFS regulations, they can be found under 36 CFR 261.11 Sanitation and 261.16 Developed Recreation Sites.
Also 261.58d can prohibit any specific "camping equipment" with in a "developed" site when defined and posted by an order. I read a comment that a camper was told their portable toilet/shower tent was prohibited in a FS campground.
From my experience "waste water" (sink, shower...) must be captured and disposed of in most campgrounds, picnic areas, trail heads... regardless if it's NPS, USFS, BLM, State Park...
AggieOE
Rank IV
Advocate II
Great points and info Roads and dchurch! I think this sells me on building something like this to help collect the water and dispose of differently.
