Qeustion for the Full Sized crew....payload etc.

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So my local consignment shop has a truck camper for sale and they say 3/4 ton only. Ok, that's fine. What 3/4 ton? if I roll in with a 2003 "3/4" ton F250 can I go with the camper? If so, I should technically be able to put the same camper in my 2016 F150 since it has a higher payload capacity than the 2003 F250....what are your thoughts on this?
 

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GVWR is a dart on the wall. But whichever way you go. AIRBAGS......I hauled RV's with my F350 for 2 years with a max weight of 16k lbs and a hitch weight of almost 3k lbs and those airbags were awesome....
 

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GVWR is a dart on the wall. But whichever way you go. AIRBAGS......I hauled RV's with my F350 for 2 years with a max weight of 16k lbs and a hitch weight of almost 3k lbs and those airbags were awesome....
Oh yes. Airbags will be going in along with the 3 inch vertex suspension. I can stiffen the rear shocks then too to control sway as well
 

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Look. It all comes down to numbers. How much does the Camper weigh empty? How much weight in gear, food and water will you be carrying? Add that all up.

Normally an F150 has the capacity between 1500 and 2200lbs.

Your 2016 Ford F150 would appear to be outfitted with a 5.0 liter v8 or the 3.5 EcoBoost and the Special Heavy Duty Payload package. That is the only way a 2016 F150 could reach 3200 lbs of payload.

That amounts to what we used to call, a "Heavy Half." A half ton truck specially outfitted to approach HD status.

So the sales person is correct in general terms. But you have a special case.

Although I dont tow much at all compared to @highboy4x4, I wouldn't say GVWR is a dart game. These numbers and capacities are arrived at based on frame strength, engine power, weight of the vehicle itself and wheelbase. That's why a short Wrangler pops a wheelie when it tries to tow too much - not enough weight spread over a long enough wheelbase.

Whereas a 4x2 (4x4 weighs more) pickup, single cab, 8 foot bed with v8 power and tow package (and larger batter brakes, even) is at the top of the tow and haul capacity range, and a similarly set up 250/2500 series with a stronger frame and motor can tow or haul so much more.

For me, not being a professional and only having a 1500, I try to keep my hauling to 2/3 capacity and towing to about half capacity, just for longevity of my truck.

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But it can't. the 2005 f250 does not have as high a payload capacity so it's frame is no stronger, no better motor (worse actually with the 5.4 compared to my coyote) etc. Yes, the NEW 250s are able to pull carry more. But I am comparing the 2005 F250 to my 150 with max payload 4x4.

I used my vin and it's 3270 payload. So, the scout Kenai with pop top tent is 1330. toss in our gear in and we are still well below the max. Pop in airbags to level the load and just go. Yes I would love to be able to get brandy new F250 FX4...but at 115,000 dollars compared to the F150 I have now, I will take my chances with the kenai in the back of our truck.

The other way I look at it too, my F150 has way more capacity than my 1986 F150 4x2 had, and we lugged a camper around in that all the time without issue. I think most of the ratings these days are American sue happy ratings. Hell we towed an 18 ft prowler camper trailer with a 1983 Pontiac Parisian brougham all over the island. I think we will be fine coming within 500 of max capacity.

I would think the camper at the local store would be over the ratings of my truck and most old 3/4 tons. But I want pose the question to the person selling it at the dealer. If I came in with a old 3/4 ton you would sell it to me without issue but won't with my F150. which is silly.
 
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Look. It all comes down to numbers. How much does the Camper weigh empty? How much weight in gear, food and water will you be carrying? Add that all up.

Normally an F150 has the capacity between 1500 and 2200lbs.

Your 2016 Ford F150 would appear to be outfitted with a 5.0 liter v8 or the 3.5 EcoBoost and the Special Heavy Duty Payload package. That is the only way a 2016 F150 could reach 3200 lbs of payload.

That amounts to what we used to call, a "Heavy Half." A half ton truck specially outfitted to approach HD status.

So the sales person is correct in general terms. But you have a special case.

Although I dont tow much at all compared to @highboy4x4, I wouldn't say GVWR is a dart game. These numbers and capacities are arrived at based on frame strength, engine power, weight of the vehicle itself and wheelbase. That's why a short Wrangler pops a wheelie when it tries to tow too much - not enough weight spread over a long enough wheelbase.

Whereas a 4x2 (4x4 weighs more) pickup, single cab, 8 foot bed with v8 power and tow package (and larger batter brakes, even) is at the top of the tow and haul capacity range, and a similarly set up 250/2500 series with a stronger frame and motor can tow or haul so much more.

For me, not being a professional and only having a 1500, I try to keep my hauling to 2/3 capacity and towing to about half capacity, just for longevity of my truck.

One man's opinion
To correct your assumption. I didn’t say it was a date “game.” A dart on the wall is a target that you shoot for, or base your calculations off of.
Regardless, a vehicle can handle up to and sometimes more than the gvrw. It’s all about safety for you and those around you. Ask any DOT enforcement officer or anyone that holds a CDL.

Here is one of many innerweb links to help you calculate your overall weight allowance.


Best of luck. Look forward to seeing what you come up with!