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Legal Weapons and Overlanding
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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
WINDER, GA—In the hours following a violent rampage in Georgia in which a lone attacker killed at least four individuals and injured nine others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent...
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Yeah about that.......‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
WINDER, GA—In the hours following a violent rampage in Georgia in which a lone attacker killed at least four individuals and injured nine others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent...
Try to find the "Stats" they referenced and what you will find is a mass grouping of gun statistics, example suicide, gang on gang crime etcetera, all made to sway a reader to believe all the USA has is mass shootings, it is BS. From The Brady United: Mass shootings make up only 1% of all gun violence in America. 60% of gun deaths are suicide and 37% are homicide — including the 1% of mass shootings.
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I pray you never need one, better to have one and not need it than the other way around. I lead groups on multi day trips, I tell everyone, guns will not be unholstered for any reason unless needed, no target shooting, no show and tell..... Never ever had an issue.
People pay to go? Ok, tell me to leave for having a proper, legal gun and you will find I will do so if in a known area (Or fam, not in the boonies) and I am refunded. (Maybe this gun phobia of yours is known at sign up, then people was warned).
War is always present when you think it is not....
Let me ask, those drunk gun people who either were never trained or are to drunk to remember, what happens if they threaten you or others with their guns? God forbid, but making a point, war is now in your face, as a trip leader you now have to do something to protect self and your group, what do you do???
Again I pray you never need a gun.......
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Citing the "Onion" is disingenuous to sway ignorant people. The "Onion" does not publish real news. It publishes satire.‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
WINDER, GA—In the hours following a violent rampage in Georgia in which a lone attacker killed at least four individuals and injured nine others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent...
Citing the "Onion" is disingenuous to sway ignorant people. The "Onion" does not publish real news. It publishes satire.‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
WINDER, GA—In the hours following a violent rampage in Georgia in which a lone attacker killed at least four individuals and injured nine others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent...
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I’m pretty sure you’re missing the point. The US has a lot of gun crime. Those homicides, suicides etc still need guns. Guns are the problem you have but you think guns are the solution.
like I said, this thread is the most foreign thing I’ve ever seen. I can’t imagine another country even having this discussion.
getting back on track....
this is a very interesting and potentially informative thread because the OP is about "legal weapons", which is by no stretch of the imagination limited to firearms...
one thing i'd like to point out is that there are some weird states, like Louisiana, where even slapping someone can get you a year in jail and also in Louisiana...there is no protecting your property with force like what is allowed right next door in Texas. I know this is true because I live here and know people who got jammed up for protecting their property. if a person breaks into my house and I catch them, I cannot touch them unless they were to attack me. If I were to walk in and see a guy trashing my house and I go over to him and physically stop him from destroying my property...that is what Louisiana law calls "taking the law into your own hands" and I would be the one to go to jail for assault and as far as the actual criminal...he could press charges on me and sue me and win. Louisiana law states that in a case like that, I leave my own house and call the police. If he tries to leave before the police arrive, I cannot detain him. I have to hire an attorney and sue the guy for damages in a civil suit.
So...no matter what your weapon of choice is...a .45 cal or even a simple balled up fist, probably wouldn't hurt to get a small briefing on the laws of which ever state you are planning to visit. Im just saying to know the basics. I grew up in Texas and was very familiar with the stand your ground law and how trespassers could be shot by the property owner without any serious repercussions. I thought that was standard until I moved to the swamps and found out that criminals are better protected than their victims and I better think long and hard before engaging ANY weapon under any circumstances.
Hopefully Louisiana is the only, or at best, one of the very few states that enforce crazy asinine laws like this...but wouldn't hurt to do a little research.
Some people boast that they never needed a weapon to protect themselves and that is indeed a charmed life to live. Personally, I'm not so charmed...
I was potentially robbed by knife point in Rio De Janiero back in the late 80s. I say potentially because I was 21 at the time and very lean and quick and I was able to outrun the 2 guys. That was nearly 40 years and 40 pounds ago...I'm not that quick anymore and I absolutely see no shame in utilizing resources that would help me survive a potentially dangerous altercation with someone. Basically, I like me...I like me a LOT and I couldn't imagine me not wanting to protect myself. I cant even comprehend what it must feel like to NOT have a desire for self preservation...
this is a very interesting and potentially informative thread because the OP is about "legal weapons", which is by no stretch of the imagination limited to firearms...
one thing i'd like to point out is that there are some weird states, like Louisiana, where even slapping someone can get you a year in jail and also in Louisiana...there is no protecting your property with force like what is allowed right next door in Texas. I know this is true because I live here and know people who got jammed up for protecting their property. if a person breaks into my house and I catch them, I cannot touch them unless they were to attack me. If I were to walk in and see a guy trashing my house and I go over to him and physically stop him from destroying my property...that is what Louisiana law calls "taking the law into your own hands" and I would be the one to go to jail for assault and as far as the actual criminal...he could press charges on me and sue me and win. Louisiana law states that in a case like that, I leave my own house and call the police. If he tries to leave before the police arrive, I cannot detain him. I have to hire an attorney and sue the guy for damages in a civil suit.
So...no matter what your weapon of choice is...a .45 cal or even a simple balled up fist, probably wouldn't hurt to get a small briefing on the laws of which ever state you are planning to visit. Im just saying to know the basics. I grew up in Texas and was very familiar with the stand your ground law and how trespassers could be shot by the property owner without any serious repercussions. I thought that was standard until I moved to the swamps and found out that criminals are better protected than their victims and I better think long and hard before engaging ANY weapon under any circumstances.
Hopefully Louisiana is the only, or at best, one of the very few states that enforce crazy asinine laws like this...but wouldn't hurt to do a little research.
Some people boast that they never needed a weapon to protect themselves and that is indeed a charmed life to live. Personally, I'm not so charmed...
I was potentially robbed by knife point in Rio De Janiero back in the late 80s. I say potentially because I was 21 at the time and very lean and quick and I was able to outrun the 2 guys. That was nearly 40 years and 40 pounds ago...I'm not that quick anymore and I absolutely see no shame in utilizing resources that would help me survive a potentially dangerous altercation with someone. Basically, I like me...I like me a LOT and I couldn't imagine me not wanting to protect myself. I cant even comprehend what it must feel like to NOT have a desire for self preservation...
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Guns are not the issue, if they are, then places like England and the Auzzies would have zero murders, Oh wait, now they are talking of banning knives.......
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Will say, this discussion is nice, no name calling, no hate, nice to see adults with opinions debating....
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Gun crime still exists at the same levels are before in England and Australia. Now people are using knives. so England have banned knives. If you keep savage criminals on the streets and not in jail there will always be a problem. Add to that, importing third world uncivilized people with no value system does not help public safety.
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If no guns, then knives....If you pull out your knife to do anything else but whittling a piece of wood, I'm gonna have to ask you to leave. Stupid....
I love this last sentence of this article. Oh btw, the stats are on OUR side, ignorance is on those that think criminals obey the gun laws or any laws for that matter.
"The fact that so many false statistics and propaganda are used to try to push anti-gun laws on us is the only proof you need to know that being armed is not a privilege. Responsible gun ownership is the duty of every qualified and capable citizen."
www.americangunnews.com
1911: Turkey; citizens disarmed – 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered
1929: Russia; citizens disarmed – 20 million Russians murdered
1935: China; citizens disarmed – 20 million Chinese killed
1938: Germany; citizens disarmed – 6 million Jews murdered
1956: Cambodia; citizens disarmed – 1 million “intellectuals” killed
1964: Guatemala; citizens disarmed – 100,000 Mayan Indians massacred
1970: Uganda; citizens disarmed – 300,000 Christians put to death
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Enough said!
I love this last sentence of this article. Oh btw, the stats are on OUR side, ignorance is on those that think criminals obey the gun laws or any laws for that matter.
"The fact that so many false statistics and propaganda are used to try to push anti-gun laws on us is the only proof you need to know that being armed is not a privilege. Responsible gun ownership is the duty of every qualified and capable citizen."
When a Population is Disarmed: A Brief History of Tyranny - American gun news
History has shown us again and again that when a nation is disarmed by their government, tyranny follows. Adolph Hitler famously said, “To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens.” Recently, Canadian gun rights activist, Bruce Montague told Rebel media that when he first became aware that...
www.americangunnews.com
1911: Turkey; citizens disarmed – 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered
1929: Russia; citizens disarmed – 20 million Russians murdered
1935: China; citizens disarmed – 20 million Chinese killed
1938: Germany; citizens disarmed – 6 million Jews murdered
1956: Cambodia; citizens disarmed – 1 million “intellectuals” killed
1964: Guatemala; citizens disarmed – 100,000 Mayan Indians massacred
1970: Uganda; citizens disarmed – 300,000 Christians put to death
From my cold dead hands ()
Enough said!
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ok BUT England has a lot of knife crime. What's the difference? I can hear you spouting off those tired liberal sappy talking point...guns bad... You would be better served if you talked about the human condition. People kill/hurt people. An inanimate object CANNOT kill anyone without an accomplice. This therefore means I absolutely "know" you are missing the point. Maybe that is why we threw off your silliness all those years ago. Praise those men that saw the light!!!
Seriously, have you looked at your countries crime stats? There is no difference, crime is crime, evil is evil, and sheeple will always be sheeple.
I'm gonna go clean my Henry 45-70 to put everything back into perspective! see ya!
As someone who has spent years overlanding through other countries I can share numerous stories of overlanders getting robbed at gunpoint in countries that don't allow citizens to own guns. More were robbed at knife point. We spent 85% of our camping time alone (just the two of us) in many remote places but we had zero issues because we:
All that to say, it was illegal to possess a firearm during our international travels so we carried an axe, machete, bear and wasp spray along with all types of knives for assorted uses. The best item though, were our heads. In the US did we add a firearm, of course. It's always better to have a tool and not need it then to need the tool you don't have. About a quarter of the tools we carried we never needed but others did. I remember shuffling around a bunch of oversized washers, having only needing one to repair my driver side window slide when it's mounting bolt pulled out a chunk of sheet metal, thinking I should get rid of the rest. In the remote region of Patagonia a friend had a skid plate mount rip out a chuck just like our window slide did. I rummaged, located the washers and we fixed it on the side of a dirt single track. She has since sold that rig but it's very likely that field repair is still running strong (same for my window slide which now the passenger side has a matching fix). We also used a flexible cutting board to make a nylon washer, still there today even though I could buy a proper one. A friend did the same to fix his winch, as far as we know he never bothered to replace his homemade one either. Have we ever needed our firearm? One night we were awoken by a sow and two cubs that were trying to look in our side window. One of the cubs was leaning on our running boards so the van was rocking a little. I sat up and slowly reached for my sidearm. Once we locked eyes she and the cubs took off. If she would have made the other decision...I sure wouldn't have wanted to be relying on my razor sharp machete, just saying.
- Trusted our and everyone else's instincts, no matter how ridiculous it seemed at the time. We also heeded the advice of locals.
- Visited very few large cities and the ones we did we only moved about in groups of 6+. Large cities are the biggest problem everywhere.
- Didn't drive at night i.e. were at our desired overnight spot before dark. Hitting an animal is a more likely problem and we have tons of those stories too.
- Never jumped out at night like we were Wolverine if we heard noises/voices at our vehicle, set the factory alarm off instead.
- Put everything up at night, limited temptations limit interactions. Also, makes leaving easier if need be.
- Skipped every known problem overnight spot and paid to use a parking lot or yard instead to visit the area. One we stayed 17 days for $4 a night... not one problem.
- Never tried to hide when free camping, we'd park our big ole jacked up orange van where the locals could see us AFTER asking permission and if it was safe to stay. Several times we were moved to a different spot and made new friends as a bonus.
- Didn't flash around our stuff like DLSRs, Laptops, etc. We kept our cameras in our backpacks and pulled them out when we wanted to take photos then put them back.
All that to say, it was illegal to possess a firearm during our international travels so we carried an axe, machete, bear and wasp spray along with all types of knives for assorted uses. The best item though, were our heads. In the US did we add a firearm, of course. It's always better to have a tool and not need it then to need the tool you don't have. About a quarter of the tools we carried we never needed but others did. I remember shuffling around a bunch of oversized washers, having only needing one to repair my driver side window slide when it's mounting bolt pulled out a chunk of sheet metal, thinking I should get rid of the rest. In the remote region of Patagonia a friend had a skid plate mount rip out a chuck just like our window slide did. I rummaged, located the washers and we fixed it on the side of a dirt single track. She has since sold that rig but it's very likely that field repair is still running strong (same for my window slide which now the passenger side has a matching fix). We also used a flexible cutting board to make a nylon washer, still there today even though I could buy a proper one. A friend did the same to fix his winch, as far as we know he never bothered to replace his homemade one either. Have we ever needed our firearm? One night we were awoken by a sow and two cubs that were trying to look in our side window. One of the cubs was leaning on our running boards so the van was rocking a little. I sat up and slowly reached for my sidearm. Once we locked eyes she and the cubs took off. If she would have made the other decision...I sure wouldn't have wanted to be relying on my razor sharp machete, just saying.
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Personally, I say alway have a firearm on the trail. Actually, anywhere you camp. If you are on the trail and are worrying about having a weapon, hide it and you be the only one who knows where it is and ensure that is is accessable. Having a weapon while out camping not dampen the camping experience. You can never be to careful this day and age.
ARs and Land Cruisers ; two things that go well together. We were running along the border where there is the possibility of cartel activity .
