.If more overlanders and campers spent more time long-distance hiking they would soon learn the value of carrying significantly less, and stripping out as much packaging as possible before hitting the road. We pack everything out - including human waste - and dispose of it at home with the rest of our trash. And like most everyone else here we carry extra trash bags to clear out anything we find. We don't abide by 'leave no trace', but instead operate by 'remove all trace' - whether ours or anyone else's. Stewardship never ends.
As far as preventing the closure of wilderness areas, I agree that it's our responsibility to:
I've decided that after thirty years, I'm less interested in the ongoing unpaid work of educating those who clearly don't give a fuck about the environment, and instead take photographs of license plates and report them to the relevant authorities. A fine will either:
- model better behaviours
- clean up after others
- educate others as to how to take care of the environment; and
- report those who break the rules
Either result is a win.
- encourage them to be more responsible in future; or
- find another pastime
This is a brilliant approach; creating a scenario that encourages engagement. Will be gearing up to do the same from now on.I also have a bright orange day-pack I like to use when hiking, biking, or canoeing, in case I need it as emergency distress color, and have HD orange gloves I keep for changing oil, etc. Then I started keeping a couple pair of the orange gloves in the orange day-pack along with a couple lightweight biodegradable bags for when I'm picking up trash.
When using both one day and collecting trash, people would stop and ask "You work for the park?" and similar. Being color-coordinated in bright orange denotes official worker, evidently.
I'd tell them "No, just picking up trash left behind by others." It most always started a conversation about Tread Lightly and Leave No Trace type principles. I don't get preachy or go way out of my way to correct or educate folks, but when asked questions like that, will talk to them as long as they're interested about the importance of leaving places better than we find them.
Now, when out walking, I carry my orange day pack with a couple ziplocs, each packed with a pair of orange gloves and a few biodegradable bags. When folks stop to ask questions and are interested in what I'm doing, I give them a ready-to-work ziploc and encourage them to do their part.
.I'm thinking there's actually great value in complaining. Sounds funny, but it's a tried and true way of getting peoples' attention. No one likes to find trash in the outdoors. Michael's campaign holds true: Leave it better than you found it, which is a positive, inspiring message. So says the dork from Oregon (can I call myself a dork?)
I don't know what those things are made of anymore, but cotton it certainly is not. Among other reasons, cotton would burn. Of course, being essentially a flower it would bio-degrade before long. And as you have noted they seem to last forever.It was hiking many years ago that got me in the habit of picking up cotton filters left behind from smokers. They last forever, it seems.
.I don't know what those things are made of anymore, but cotton it certainly is not. Among other reasons, cotton would burn. Of course, being essentially a flower it would bio-degrade before long. And as you have noted they seem to last forever.
Among the materials those filters have been made of, in the past Kent cigarettes used asbestos for their filters. I find it most interesting that is not common knowledge. For all the passion against asbestos I would think more people would be aware of that detail.
Thank you for the education on what they really are. At least anymore..
Interesting, @Anak. I say that out of old habit, and was probably wrong even when I first started saying it 50 yrs ago.
Just looked it up: "95% of cigarette filters are made of cellulose acetate (a plastic), and the balance are made from papers and rayon. The cellulose acetate tow fibers are thinner than sewing thread, white, and packed tightly together to create a filter; they can look like cotton" says Clean Virginia Waterways, Longwood University, Farmville, VA in their page about Cigarette Filters
Gracias on the correction!
.Thank you for the education on what they really are. At least anymore.
Those materials would probably at least break down with UV exposure (i.e. sunlight). Buried in the dirt they probably last a long time.
OMG!!side note: Did you know the man used for this ad (and who appeared in a bunch of movies, even with Bob Hope in Pale Face), was actually an Italian guy from Kaplan, Louisiana. Iron eyes Cody.
As with most things it just takes a few bozos to ruin it for everyone. This is especially true in the back country where there aren't enough rangers/police to catch the responsible parties, and unfortunately the easy solution is to just put up gates and keep everyone out.
It has always been like this. Society moves forward at the pace of its slowest member. All the rules are made for them.
Maybe it doesn't matter if it is for a good cause?
I concur with the first sentence absolutely here. There is a reason that we have warning labels that tell us not to lick live wires, pour caustic acid down our throats or get drunk at a campsite and throw a rave causing distress for all those around us-the majority of people would never do something like that but then you get the few and boom...we have a label (or a law)=so many examples it could be its own thread. With so many people new to camping and overlanding, really since the financial crisis, it is incumbent on everyone of us to pass on knowledge, etiquette, experience, and safe practices. Places like this forum, Tread Lightly, Leave No Trace, etc.. are critical to that mission; so is a bit of empathy fo those that think a bit differently about things..I have always been a tent camper and, candidly, always looked at those in big RVs as a blight on the land whose drivers should have just gotten a hotel room (and I am still totally against privatizing and upgrading National Parks in order to accommodate land yachts which turns a wild place into a KOA [sorry KOA, love you but you have your place in the scheme]-then I read on some forum the RV crowd sneering down on us tent campers as though they had let the Untouchables into the camp site-guess it is all perspective.It has always been like this. Society moves forward at the pace of its slowest member. All the rules are made for them.
For example, we all know a guy who after 2 bottles of wine can still drive better than 80% of people. And than you have Suzy, who after a light gluten free diet beer at lunch, crashes in a bust stop killing 3 people while texting. Being impractical and costly to test everyone's driving skills after a few ones, to determine the breaking point for each, what do you do.. you ban alcohol completely.
This is exactly what happened with access to forest, off road tracks etc and what will continue to happen.