Electric Winch vs Hi-Lift Winching Kit?

[AL.WVSN]

I want to share another option for you to look at. I received this message from a member here on a new product that sounds like it would work great for some. Here you go, take a look and I look forward to your comments. Vance.


Nov 2, 2019
Dear Sirs,

We are an Australia manufacturer specialising in offroad recovery gear with a new and innovative product and technique that offers foward and reverse recovery.

BOG OUT is a rope harness that is attached to the bogged or spinning wheel, the other end is secured and then you simply drive out. Two BOG OUTs secured on either the front or the rear wheels provides highly effective, twin diff lockers and the system will work on any vehicle up to a small tractor. It has been tried and tested in Australia for over 5 years.

We have many happy customers who already have a winch but like our product as a back up for when they need to reverse. Other customers have SUVs and cannot fit the bull bar to mount the winch. The system is lightweight, compact, safe and reliable. Please see BOG OUT 4x4 Vehicle Recovery System |Turns bogged wheels into winches

We are seeking USA based influencers or youtubers to review our product - we have Central Queensland University testing, 4WD club and customer reviews - all Australian and would be honoured to have opinion from Overland Bound. Please note, we are a small family owned business - our product is made in Australia and we hope to launch in the US via Amazon shortly.

Please advise how we could support Overland Bound.

Thank you for your kind consideration

Regards
Charlie Aubin

WOW - i can't wait for this to be avail in the US.

I would carry this and would use this first before a winch...

Just by watching their youtube videos.... this would be super simple and light.

 

[Lindenwood]

Your bolt rating is not in that configuration, those bolts will bend/shear in short order.

That rigging is absolutely not kosher and you are asking to get hurt.

Not an engineer, but I have built and broken more shit than your average schmoe, I wouldn't get anywhere near that rig.

This reply is in response to your later post that seems to have gone missing.

My most recent calculations treated the bolt as a fixed member, and the chain loop as a point force acting some distance away from the fixed portion of the bolt (what I am describing as the "shear plane"). As mentioned, the bolt will actually permanently deform from the bending stress at ~9000lb of pulling force, which would take something like 350 lbs of force on the jack handle (and the jack would deliberately fail before that).

 

[bgenlvtex]

This reply is in response to your later post that seems to have gone missing.

My most recent calculations treated the bolt as a fixed member, and the chain loop as a point force acting some distance away from the fixed portion of the bolt (what I am describing as the "shear plane"). As mentioned, the bolt will actually permanently deform from the bending stress at ~9000lb of pulling force, which would take something like 350 lbs of force on the jack handle (and the jack would deliberately fail before that).

I don't know what happened to it, I didn't delete it.

Carry on and have a nice day.

 

[Maverick9110E]

Just found this thread while researching some hi lift jack winching. For me to do a front mount winch it would wind up costing about 2 grand. I have to relocat my front intercooler, buy the bumper and then the winch. Thinking of going with a hi lift for the emergency need as i have plenty of space to mount one out of the way in the bed of the pickup. Good info!

 

[wstark54]

Just found this thread while researching some hi lift jack winching. For me to do a front mount winch it would wind up costing about 2 grand. I have to relocat my front intercooler, buy the bumper and then the winch. Thinking of going with a hi lift for the emergency need as i have plenty of space to mount one out of the way in the bed of the pickup. Good info!

I’ve used the Hilift as a winch a couple of times and it worked very well and I can recommend it. That being said, last winter I was out in the Pine Barrons in NJ and was nearly caught out. I was by myself and I know that’s not the right way to wheel but that how I roll. I now have a winch and the Hilift . YMMV

 

[Maverick9110E]

Oh no doubt!! I'd love to have a winch but its literally 10x the cost of doing a hi lift setup for my rig for the rare time i'd need it.

 

[Lindenwood]

I would likely break my current vehicle regularly tackling obstacles that would justify a winch purchase. The hi-lift plus winching kit gives me peace-of-mind without costing a bunch of money.

Plus it turns out the hi-lift is also pretty good at lifting as well :P .

 

[madcratebuilder]

A 4 ton come-a-long can get you out many situations. Much less work than the Hi-lift. I have the hi-lift and a come-a-long to supplement my winch.

 

[MOAK]

Yeah the 12" on the HiLift was referring to lifting, not winching.

Most winch manufacturers just slap on the cheapest cable they can, that will still technically do the job. And these days they probably expect a good portion of the buyers to replace it with synthetic anyways. Still, anyone buying a winch should know what they're actually getting in terms of the equipment's capability. Be it the winch itself or the cable.

Just curious- back when I was shopping for winches, ( long ago) one had to be very careful about using synthetic line on a winch with an internal brake. I learned the hard way ( think melting ) first time around and ended up selling the winch and replacing it with an external brake winch. Do all winches have external braking mechanisms these days? If not, than one should take precautions when mounting synthetic line on just any winch.

 

[MOAK]

This has been an excellent read tonight. I have always loved the multiple uses of the hi-lift jack. I put a winch on my Duramax a couple of years ago and it was used once. Sure the $1k that I spent on the front bumper made it way cooler to look at.. The winch also draws a lot of juice from your battery - not a problem if the engine is running at speeds above idle. Dead engine + winching for recovery = very dead battery. Most everyone forgets to upgrade the battery to one with more cca when they purchase the winch.

That point is one I have failed to make for years. I just always thought it an automatic that when ya get a winch, ya step up to dual batteries and be able to isolate the starter battery from the winch and/or at the very least get a “better than stock” battery.