Traveling to Germany/ and surrounding area

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If there is a thread for this I apologize. I’m looking for some direction to finding a good resource for traveling through Germany, Amsterdam and eastern France/switzerland. The hope is to rent a vehicle and camp as much as possible. I have downloaded “park4night” as a start to this journey but if there is any good resources for car camping properly and avoiding the tourist traps and seeing the countryside I would appreciate it.
This is my first time leaving the North American continent and just want to make sure I do things right.
 
If there is a thread for this I apologize. I’m looking for some direction to finding a good resource for traveling through Germany, Amsterdam and eastern France/switzerland. The hope is to rent a vehicle and camp as much as possible. I have downloaded “park4night” as a start to this journey but if there is any good resources for car camping properly and avoiding the tourist traps and seeing the countryside I would appreciate it.
This is my first time leaving the North American continent and just want to make sure I do things right.
Can you also post this question on Mid Europe also.
 
Hi Daniel,

Happy to hear that you will come to Europe and I look forward to helping you with your questions.

Many other members of our European community are also happy to help.

Well, where shall we start? You asked about the Park4night app. Yes, you can of course use apps like this to get an idea of camp spots. However, these apps naturally have many advantages and disadvantages. You can also look for camping options and much more in IOverlander. Or you can find lots of POIs for Europe here in the OB1 app map. You should be aware that wild camping is prohibited in most parts of Europe. However, wildcamping is on the other hand not necessary, as there are many beautiful, natural campsites. Just take a look around for nature campsites, farm campsites, campsites at country inns, and much more.

Please give us a few more details about what you have in mind for your trip so that we can help you even better. What kind of vehicle would you like to rent? What would you like to see, i.e. rural areas, the sea, lakes, mountains, forests, or cities as well? Europe offers such diversity in such a small space. And how much time do you have for the trip?

What we should definitely plan is a meetup with OB members and other overlanders here in Europe, if you like. When will you be here? Maybe there's already a meetup planned during that time (see Rally Points)?

@paul87250 Could you please give any special tips for France?
@Claus_za Could you please give any special tips for The Netherlands?
@Swiss Overlander Could you please give any special tips for Switzerland?
@XC70_OVERLANDER Do you have any other tips so far, please?
@JnS_Cattle Do you have any good tips from your perspective as someone who knows the US overlanding style well and also Europe, please?

Cheers,
Bjoern
 
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Hi Daniel,

Happy to hear that you will come to Europe and I look forward to helping you with your questions.

Many other members of our European community are also happy to help.

Well, where shall we start? You asked about the Park4night app. Yes, you can of course use apps like this to get an idea of camp spots. However, these apps naturally have many advantages and disadvantages. You can also look for camping options and much more in IOverlander. Or you can find lots of POIs for Europe here in the OB1 app map. You should be aware that wild camping is prohibited in most parts of Europe. However, wildcamping is on the other hand not necessary, as there are many beautiful, natural campsites. Just take a look around for nature campsites, farm campsites, campsites at country inns, and much more.

Please give us a few more details about what you have in mind for your trip so that we can help you even better. What kind of vehicle would you like to rent? What would you like to see, i.e. rural areas, the sea, lakes, mountains, forests, or cities as well? Europe offers such diversity in such a small space. And how much time do you have for the trip?

What we should definitely plan is a meetup with OB members and other overlanders here in Europe, if you like. When will you be here? Maybe there's already a meetup planned during that time (see Rally Points)?

@paul87250 Could you please give any special tips for France?
@Claus_za Could you please give any special tips for The Netherlands?
@Swiss Overlander Could you please give any special tips for Switzerland?
@XC70_OVERLANDER Do you have any other tips so far, please?
@JnS_Cattle Do you have any good tips from your perspective as someone who knows the US overlanding style well and also Europe, please?

Cheers,
Bjoern

First let me just say his community is incredible! And I appreciate being able to be a part of it.
So down to business.
Will you plan on flying into Amsterdam dropping into Belgium Luxembourg the top of France through Switzerland than up north into Germany cutting across kind of the middle and shooting back to Amsterdam over 11 or 12 days.
We don’t really want to do the touristy thing of hotels. It’s just not how we wanna see a country. The hope is to rent may be a small camper site van that we can use as a mobile sleeping station. It’s gonna be my father and I, but we are open to some cool spots if it’s one of those good experiences. We just really want to be spending a lot of time in nature, seeing the country for its natural beauties. As well as some of the tourist stuff.
Of course we wanna see some castles in Germany in the black forest and a couple in the national parks. I think a big part of it is just getting to know the European way so that we can be good visitors. Like I said this is our first time leaving North America so there are some nerves about the whole process. But I think we picked a pretty cool loop.
Most of our time will be in Germany.
Some of the areas we want to hit are.
Bruges, Metz, Zugspitze, Black Forest, lake Eibsee, eagles nest, Saxon Switzerland NP, Bohemian Switzerland NP and Detmold.
One of my bigger concerns is because we don’t hold a solid agenda because we want to be open to experience. I’m worried that without making reservations we’re not gonna have a lot of places to camp but the more I am reading online it seems like there is a pretty significant amount of camping to be had..
Again, I appreciate all the input you guys could offer. This is my dad‘s number one bucket list trip so we’re pretty excited.
 
@El-Dracho Any chance you could help out this Sierra Foothills meetup member?

Thanks Kent! Appreciate you!
We’ll be seeing you at meetings again soon. I have been working in Texas, so I have not been able to get to the meetings lately, but I shall return!
 
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A few additional things. Plane tickets are booked last week of Aug and first week of Sept.
I have found that I will need an international driving permit.
Are there any other permits that we might need to visit off the main road type areas such as National parks/Forests?
We will also be getting travel insurance. I am looking at “World Nomads” and “Safety Wing”.
for transportation I think we’ve settled on a form of adventure van so that we can avoid hotels and be more nomadic in our trip.
*One of my big concerns is without making reservations, will there still be room in the camping areas to camp in that time of year. 
Also I hear ETIAS may go into effect this coming year? I’m trying to figure out if that will be needed.
 
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A few additional things. Plane tickets are booked last week of Aug and first week of Sept.
I have found that I will need an international driving permit.
Are there any other permits that we might need to visit off the main road type areas such as National parks/Forests?
We will also be getting travel insurance. I am looking at “World Nomads” and “Safety Wing”.
for transportation I think we’ve settled on a form of adventure van so that we can avoid hotels and be more nomadic in our trip.
*One of my big concerns is without making reservations, will there still be room in the camping areas to camp in that time of year. 
Also I hear ETIAS may go into effect this coming year? I’m trying to figure out if that will be needed.

Okay, let's start with the international driver's license. There is no such thing as THE international driver's license. These quasi-translations of your national driver's license are issued on the basis of intergovernmental agreements. And there are several of them. The Vienna, Geneva, and Paris Conventions regulate the recognition and issuance of international driver's licenses. In Germany, for example, we get international driver's licenses under the Vienna and Paris Conventions. But for example the US and Canada are signatories to the Geneva Convention, which Germany has not signed. The good news for travelers from Germany is that the US authorities generally accept an international driver's license in accordance with the Vienna Convention in conjunction with a valid EU driver's license as a gesture of goodwill. I assume that the same applies vice versa. I have read that in some EU countries also accept the national US one for short term stays but I think you will need the IDP to rent the car. Better go prepared. You have to check.

Otherwise, I can't think of any permits you would need to apply for at the moment. But another important thing to consider are the low emissions zones in various cities or regions of Europe. Each country has its own regulations in this regard. In France and Germany, for example, a sticker on the windshield must prove that the vehicle complies with the regulations for entering the respective zone. Rental cars usually have these stickers. It's best to check with the rental company to see if they have them for the countries you want to visit or if you need to take care of it yourself. In France, you can apply for the sticker online and have it sent to you. In Germany, you can get it by presenting your vehicle documents at garages or technical inspection stations.

Well, and there are different toll systems. In France, you usually pay at the toll booth on the highway, while in Switzerland or Austria, you have to buy a vignette in advance (online or at sales outlets before the respective border, for example).

Travel health insurance is always a good idea when going in a trip. Speaking of health, it seems important to note that in Europe, for example in southern parts of Germany, there are so called risk areas because of ticks. Ticks in Europe can potentially transmit Lyme disease or TBE. Therefore, it may be worth to consider protective measures. This is a personal matter that everyone should address for themselves.

August/September is still peak travel season, so campsites can indeed get quite full. However, there are plenty of places, and if you don't need a specific one, I think you'll probably find a good spot. What might make sense is to call ahead, perhaps the day before or in the morning, if you want a specific spot, to ask or make a reservation.

I am not up to date with ETIAS. The launch of the system has been postponed several times since 2020 and is currently planned for the end of 2026, as far as I know. I would wait and see for now.

I hope that also other members from Europe will get in touch and give you information and tips. Enjoy planning!
 
Hello! I am stationed in the Stuttgart area. El-Dracho is a wealth of knowledge!!

Recommend you get the AAA Int’l DL prior to departure. It is good for 1 year. Pay attention to the new customs requirements coming from the US and stay in front of any visa requirements. As previously stated, August and September are still peak seasons for Europe.

France, do not stay in the rest stops or gas stations overnight.

Let me know if you want to exchange contact info.

Cheers!
John
 
A few additional things. Plane tickets are booked last week of Aug and first week of Sept.
I have found that I will need an international driving permit.
Are there any other permits that we might need to visit off the main road type areas such as National parks/Forests?
We will also be getting travel insurance. I am looking at “World Nomads” and “Safety Wing”.
for transportation I think we’ve settled on a form of adventure van so that we can avoid hotels and be more nomadic in our trip.
*One of my big concerns is without making reservations, will there still be room in the camping areas to camp in that time of year. 
Also I hear ETIAS may go into effect this coming year? I’m trying to figure out if that will be needed.

Okay, let's start with the international driver's license. There is no such thing as THE international driver's license. These quasi-translations of your national driver's license are issued on the basis of intergovernmental agreements. And there are several of them. The Vienna, Geneva, and Paris Conventions regulate the recognition and issuance of international driver's licenses. In Germany, for example, we get international driver's licenses under the Vienna and Paris Conventions. But for example the US and Canada are signatories to the Geneva Convention, which Germany has not signed. The good news for travelers from Germany is that the US authorities generally accept an international driver's license in accordance with the Vienna Convention in conjunction with a valid EU driver's license as a gesture of goodwill. I assume that the same applies vice versa. I have read that in some EU countries also accept the national US one for short term stays but I think you will need the IDP to rent the car. Better go prepared. You have to check.

Otherwise, I can't think of any permits you would need to apply for at the moment. But another important thing to consider are the low emissions zones in various cities or regions of Europe. Each country has its own regulations in this regard. In France and Germany, for example, a sticker on the windshield must prove that the vehicle complies with the regulations for entering the respective zone. Rental cars usually have these stickers. It's best to check with the rental company to see if they have them for the countries you want to visit or if you need to take care of it yourself. In France, you can apply for the sticker online and have it sent to you. In Germany, you can get it by presenting your vehicle documents at garages or technical inspection stations.

Well, and there are different toll systems. In France, you usually pay at the toll booth on the highway, while in Switzerland or Austria, you have to buy a vignette in advance (online or at sales outlets before the respective border, for example).

Travel health insurance is always a good idea when going in a trip. Speaking of health, it seems important to note that in Europe, for example in southern parts of Germany, there are so called risk areas because of ticks. Ticks in Europe can potentially transmit Lyme disease or TBE. Therefore, it may be worth to consider protective measures. This is a personal matter that everyone should address for themselves.

August/September is still peak travel season, so campsites can indeed get quite full. However, there are plenty of places, and if you don't need a specific one, I think you'll probably find a good spot. What might make sense is to call ahead, perhaps the day before or in the morning, if you want a specific spot, to ask or make a reservation.

I am not up to date with ETIAS. The launch of the system has been postponed several times since 2020 and is currently planned for the end of 2026, as far as I know. I would wait and see for now.

I hope that also other members from Europe will get in touch and give you information and tips. Enjoy planning!

This is all really great info! Appreciate it all! Really helps get the first international anxiety out of the way having a better idea of what to expect.
 
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Hello! I am stationed in the Stuttgart area. El-Dracho is a wealth of knowledge!!

Recommend you get the AAA Int’l DL prior to departure. It is good for 1 year. Pay attention to the new customs requirements coming from the US and stay in front of any visa requirements. As previously stated, August and September are still peak seasons for Europe.

France, do not stay in the rest stops or gas stations overnight.

Let me know if you want to exchange contact info.

Cheers!
John

Hey thank you for the advice! AAA was what we were looking at so that’s great. And for sure lets connect, maybe we can all catch a meal or a camp spot one of the nights out here!
 
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Hi Daniel,

Looks like your trip is only touching a little of France, enjoy the planning and any help if you have any questions please feel free to contact me and I will endeavour to be of assistance.

Cheers Paul and Nicky

Much appreciated! My wife and I plan on returning and doing a big trip, France, Spain, Italy but that’s a later date when we have a bigger window of time. Such a beautiful part of the world, hoping to see as much of it as we can when we can..
 
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Okay, let's start with the international driver's license. There is no such thing as THE international driver's license. These quasi-translations of your national driver's license are issued on the basis of intergovernmental agreements. And there are several of them. The Vienna, Geneva, and Paris Conventions regulate the recognition and issuance of international driver's licenses. In Germany, for example, we get international driver's licenses under the Vienna and Paris Conventions. But for example the US and Canada are signatories to the Geneva Convention, which Germany has not signed. The good news for travelers from Germany is that the US authorities generally accept an international driver's license in accordance with the Vienna Convention in conjunction with a valid EU driver's license as a gesture of goodwill. I assume that the same applies vice versa. I have read that in some EU countries also accept the national US one for short term stays but I think you will need the IDP to rent the car. Better go prepared. You have to check.

Otherwise, I can't think of any permits you would need to apply for at the moment. But another important thing to consider are the low emissions zones in various cities or regions of Europe. Each country has its own regulations in this regard. In France and Germany, for example, a sticker on the windshield must prove that the vehicle complies with the regulations for entering the respective zone. Rental cars usually have these stickers. It's best to check with the rental company to see if they have them for the countries you want to visit or if you need to take care of it yourself. In France, you can apply for the sticker online and have it sent to you. In Germany, you can get it by presenting your vehicle documents at garages or technical inspection stations.

Well, and there are different toll systems. In France, you usually pay at the toll booth on the highway, while in Switzerland or Austria, you have to buy a vignette in advance (online or at sales outlets before the respective border, for example).

Travel health insurance is always a good idea when going in a trip. Speaking of health, it seems important to note that in Europe, for example in southern parts of Germany, there are so called risk areas because of ticks. Ticks in Europe can potentially transmit Lyme disease or TBE. Therefore, it may be worth to consider protective measures. This is a personal matter that everyone should address for themselves.

August/September is still peak travel season, so campsites can indeed get quite full. However, there are plenty of places, and if you don't need a specific one, I think you'll probably find a good spot. What might make sense is to call ahead, perhaps the day before or in the morning, if you want a specific spot, to ask or make a reservation.

I am not up to date with ETIAS. The launch of the system has been postponed several times since 2020 and is currently planned for the end of 2026, as far as I know. I would wait and see for now.

I hope that also other members of Bill of Sale from Europe will get in touch and give you information and tips. Enjoy planning!
It seems your trip will only include a brief visit to France.
 
Just wanted to chime in as my first post on this forum which immediately took my attention after getting approved! I will be sure to post an introduction with my new little project once I get a pic of it in the introduction section.

EL-Dracho has already shared amazing information as the go to resource. Wanted to speak to your stress of leaving the continent for the first time. You will be well received in Germany, in the southern region people are now very used to seeing people from the US specifically and many can communicate well enough or make a point to try to understand you. I travel back home frequently and am happy to provide additional input if needed and wanted around the southern Bavarian region. You are in for a treat with scenery and food, nothing beats a nice warm Leberkässemmel in my opinion. Its the first thing that I grab getting off of the plane as soon as possible, and of course the liquid bread if you partake.
 
Just wanted to chime in as my first post on this forum which immediately took my attention after getting approved! I will be sure to post an introduction with my new little project once I get a pic of it in the introduction section.

EL-Dracho has already shared amazing information as the go to resource. Wanted to speak to your stress of leaving the continent for the first time. You will be well received in Germany, in the southern region people are now very used to seeing people from the US specifically and many can communicate well enough or make a point to try to understand you. I travel back home frequently and am happy to provide additional input if needed and wanted around the southern Bavarian region. You are in for a treat with scenery and food, nothing beats a nice warm Leberkässemmel in my opinion. Its the first thing that I grab getting off of the plane as soon as possible, and of course the liquid bread if you partake.

Thank you for the your input! And we will look for that Leberkassemel!
The Bavarian region looks incredible and we are definitely going to be passing through there!
 
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How are the borders between those countries. I know here in the states it could be very long wait on our southern border and some days you just drive right through.
 
How are the borders between those countries. I know here in the states it could be very long wait on our southern border and some days you just drive right through.

During this tour, you will be traveling within the Schengen Area. This area, also known as the Schengen Zone, comprises a group of currently 29 countries, between which systematic border controls are generally no longer carried out. Random or ad hoc checks for a certain period are still carried out, which is currently the case in with countries. Normally, there are no waiting times, or perhaps only short ones. However, during holiday periods, traffic jams can occur. When we recently traveled from Italy to Switzerland for example, we had stop-and-go traffic for about 45 minutes, and when entering Germany from Switzerland, we had to wait about 5 minutes.