New vs Used

A 2013 Tacoma IS a used vehicle. So if you bought it new, you have, what, a couple months, or a couple years left to pay. And its a TOYOTA, so it will last till 2043.
I bought a 110,000 mile warranty when I bought mine. I also have 5 year 50,000 miles of service contract, and Im probably gonna extend that when the time comes. And its a TOYOTA, so it will last till 2047.
Now, You are trading a Taco for an old Isuzu Vehicross.
I understand the OB ethos of its not what you drive. But after you said that I don't really have any input, because I think you are flat crazy.
 
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Yeah, I get that a lot. A Vehicross is NOT for everyone, and I wouldn't recommend it for most people for an Overland Project vehicle. There is nearly no room in the back, so if you have kids you are either putting a basket on top to carry most things, or you are pulling a trailer. In fact if you have kids, just don't do it. My son is grown and out of the house, so the back seat (such as it is) will be coming out. Some of the smaller bits can be hard to source, I have ordered several parts directly from Japan and I am still waiting for the last of the order to arrive. However, having said that, you don't buy a vehicle with 167,000 miles on it because you are looking for trail-ready vehicle. You don't get something as rare as a Vehicross because it's going to be easy. You do it because you love the vehicle, and because you are at least a little cracked in the head LOL!
 
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The debate has raged, in my circle at least, for as long as I can remember. Which is better to have, a new rig, a used one that is paid off?

Without getting to esoteric about it, I will try to cover the pros and cons of each. Your feed back is, of course, most welcome.

New:
Pros:
1) Warrenty: This is a big one for a lot of people. Not being forced to pay for every little dent or ding is huge. Also if something catastrophic breaks, like a transmission, you only need to find a way to get it to a certified shop. Big bonus here for those who hate working on transmissions (myself included).

2) Reliable: Most new vehicles are insanely reliable. Yes, there are exceptions, but for the most part, they work as they should.

3) After market support: Most new 4 wheel drives have a crazy amount of after market support. With the growth of "Overlanding" and camping in general, everything from OEM to custom is springing up in just about every corner of the world.

4) "Cool Factor": Having the latest and greatest sitting in your driveway on some meaty tires with an RTT on top is sure to make you the talk of your neighbors. It's not just keeping up with the jones's at this point, it's plowing over their lawn gnomes while slinging mud across the windscreen of that powder blue Prius. It's hot dogs and 'Merica! Well, that last part may be a bit extreme, but you know who they are. ;)

Cons:
1) You will be paying a monthly payment, every month, without fail, every single month. Seriously, like $500+ a month, just for the privilege of parking it in your driveway. That is not counting full coverage insurance, gas, upgrades, trip funds, and that cool bottle opener mounted by the tail gate.

2) Well, really #1 is about it. If you buy new, you will have a great number of advantages.

Used:
Pros: It will be paid off! More money for upgrades, trips, and (generally) lower insurance cost.

Cons:
1) Maintenance: If you buy it used, you have no idea about the skill level of the last person to work on it. I just changed the rear brakes on one vehicle and the last owner actually had the ware bar for the brake pad clipped to the retaining clip for the pad, preventing it from moving at all. Horrible job. But that is the chance you take with a used vehicle.

2) You better know how to use a wrench. Used vehicle are by their definition, low cost. Part of that low cost is doing a lot of the work yourself. Granted this is a skill you should have regardless of what you drive, but those with a paid off vehicle, and a warrenty you don't have to sacrifice are more likely to pull out a tool box than call a tow truck.

3) Older vehicles tend to make weird noises, that are usually normal for them, given their age. A loud stereo helps overcome this ;)

4) Everyrhing starts to look like it's about to fail at any moment. While this is not really true, for the most part, the fear of the next breakdown is ever present. It can be frustrating, but the cost is generally less than the monthly payment of a new vehicle. Still, you are always watching for something to break, especially items recently repaired.

That is my short list anyway. Still, I have chosen to go the "pre-owned" route, and if everything goes right I will be selling my 2013 Toyota Tacoma on Friday. I have since purchased a 1999 Isuzu Vehicross. Nasty little thing that I DO NOT recommend for the faint of heart. Parts can be a challenge to find, and you will spend countless hours trying to track down a problem on what you initially thought was going ot be a two hour repair. Still, I absolutely love this little gem, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Besides, the $550/ month for the Taco, plus the cost of the insurance every month just means more money for trips, upgrades, and of course, repairs. LOL!

What do you all think? New or Used? Which would you drive, and which do you drive?
I think the sweet spot has always been somewhere in the middle. Brand new is nice, especially with the warranty and knowing exactly how the vehicle was treated, but the depreciation hit on the first few years is hard to justify for a lot of people.

A well-maintained used vehicle with service records can be a much better value. You avoid the biggest drop in value, and if you buy something reliable you can put that extra money toward trips, mods, and maintenance.

The one thing that has changed over the years is that newer vehicles are much more dependent on electronics, so repairs aren't always as simple as grabbing a wrench anymore. That makes warranty coverage more attractive than it used to be.

Personally, I’d rather have a paid-off older rig that I know inside and out. A few repairs here and there are easier to accept when you’re not also making a $600+ monthly payment. The vehicle you actually use and enjoy is worth more than having the newest model sitting in the driveway.
 
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New vs Used​


I've heard the same argument when picking a wife...
new or used, BOTH will give you problems. just find the one you can afford and don't mind looking at and call it a day...:grinning:
 
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