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We use the Baofeng UV-9R Radios, if you dig and get the right ones with the lithium batteries and quoted 15w (ssssshhhhh) in totally none scientific testing we managed 7Km's car to car none line of site without a issue.. So a external mount ant and mic would get you somewhere in the region of 15Km's, not bad for £30.00

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Are these licence free as I thought in the UK licence free is restricted to 0.5 Watts?
 

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Are these licence free as I thought in the UK licence free is restricted to 0.5 Watts?
Only with no licence.

Business Licence, £75 for 5 years... ;) You just have to program them. To meet the requirement's.. I never said they were perfect and trees have good signal absorption properties. ;) ;)
 

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To shed a little more light on the license exempt side of things, specific requirements have to be met and in particular on the 446MHz allocation its 0.5Watts ERP rather than 0.5Watts at the output stage of the radio. ERP (Effective Radiated Power) takes into account the loss or gain of an antenna.

For the radio detailed in the preceeding posts there are no licence exemptions that apply. So a licence is required for any transmission operation of the set.

There is also the additional requirement on the 446MHz allocation that the antenna must be non-removable by the user, so if you can remove the antenna in any way (without resorting to opening the set etc...) then the set itself is not compliant and legally cannot be used on the license free allocation.

In effect the 446MHz frequency allocation is not licence free but may be used without a licence if the equipment meets specific requirements. The Baofeng sets do not meet this requirement.

Rules and regulations for Wireless Telephony are a minefield.

This link is the current Ofcom position on licence exempt operation for 446MHz https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/85156/ir_2009_analogue_and_digita1.pdf

For some additional bedtime reading see the following for licence exemption in the UK Wireless Telegraphy Exemption Regulations
 

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What ever the preference for vehicle / trip comms it should be legally held and if training and a licence is required that is the correct route to take.
Rules are in place for very good reasons and we don't condone breaking them.

Also remember the radio route you decide to take can in different countries have different rules.
I have CB Radio simply because what I have is licence free in the UK and Europe and is easily available.
In Morocco CB Radios are not legal but PMR446 radios can be used so we sorted a pack to share out with our group when we visited in 2017.
Whether or not a Moroccan official for instance would recognise the difference is another issue but following the law and rules is the right way to do things.
Its always good to research what is allowed in countries you intend to visit. Drones in Morocco are a big no no and will be confiscated. Satellite phones in Russia and India are not allowed and monitored.
 
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I've use 446MHz radios with great success on trips.

In fact they are so mass produced and widely available you will almost certainly find one to suit your taste and budget from cheap literally disposable supermarket offerings to expensive rugged waterproof sets. All easy to operate and various battery options.

Unlike business licence sets, ham radio and CB you've not got the worries about blowing the output stage with a mismatched antenna and any amount can be deployed on a trip with anyone using them. I actually prefer them to ham radio for this very reason.

Great range on the open hills, reasonable range in urban settings and even reasonable range in convoy too.
 

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The reason we use the PMR Band now, is simple. Easy access to the equipment for everybody.. They are £10 in Argos and standard across Europe, if you wreck one you just go and get another and the battery life is good.. Having the business license allows the use of the higher powered radio's.. upto 5 Watts handheld and upto 25 Watts in a base station setup.

CB' while now unlicensed upto 4 Watts and has great coverage etc is just expensive. The cheapest handheld being £70 ish.. Not as accessible to the masses. And the good units are expensive.

Last long dist trip we did was to Poland, when we got stopped by the police as you do (for no reason) it was just question after quest about the CB's even though CEPT etc. The police there did'nt have the knowledge at the ground level fully, where as they just ignore the PMR radio's as they are everywhere and a more common site.

Its not like we didnt blend in :) We basically took to old Jeep, tarted them up and run to Poland and back.. We still have the XJ just the ZJ was used with out shall I say permission and met a demise in the end bit if a shame really as they looked good..



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Loving the Cherokee.

Found one in a yard of a mate that belonged to a mechanic who had upped and left suddenly. No keys or paperwork and a few bits missing in the engine bay. Thought about it for a few weeks as the interior was good and the bodywork was sound too (sprayed a matt olive drab).

Lack of knowledge on this vehicle and its imobiliser pretty much decided it for me unfortunately despite the attractive looks so I reluctantly gave it a miss.

Sorry for going off topic...
 
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They are great, go any anywhere and fun trucks to own, just thirsty is the name of the day.. I can get about 14 MPG on a good day with polar bears blessing me.

the 4.0 is bullet proof to 250k if you treat it to regular dino oil and look after the basic's, min is 20 years old and starts on the button and just purrs.
 
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