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I don’t take offense to it. It’s just become kind of cliche. This line is great. It’s become more about a look. It has become a brand new Toyota, with a RTT, Hi-Lift and all the expensive kit you can add to it, quickly followed by the obligatory “just get out there with what you’ve got”...

For being such a “big” name in navigation they didn’t try very hard!

Dual makes a good gps puck as well, very reasonably priced.

This is what I do as well. I’ve been surprised at how little space downloaded maps take up on the iPad.

expeditionutah.com is a good Utah specific resource.

I’d put the suspension in access height, drops the height down to fit. It’s a Land Rover thing, you wouldn’t understand. Kidding! Winter roof basket off, ski rack on!

Must be Russia :-)

I have to keep signing in to the app as well as similar problems mentioned above. I was trying to get to page 2 of a thread, all others were available, just not the one I needed.

This hobby/lifestyle is sooo good at adding up $’s exponentially! A little upgrade here, a few hundred more there... Buy once, cry once into bankruptcy!

That’s a big jump!

Makes sense, what’s the price difference from mid to off road? You may want to consider that route if that is your final intention.

I don’t know what they cost, so it may be a non-issue. If you’re spending that much on a trailer you may as well spend a few hundred more. Given how you’ve stated things, it seems like you’d turn around before you were in an situation that’d require it.

If you don’t see yourself wheeling it hard enough to need the off road version I’m not sure you’d need anything other than a ball.

I agree with this statement. Personally I try to avoid the term completely, but I’ve yet to find an Off-Road Car Camping Bound forum. Maybe it’s out there... [emoji4]

Not sure if your serious or not. My local gas station has their fuel transported by truck, does that count? EDIT: Apparently it was not clear that the last half of this statement was an attempt at humor. So, for the record, that was an ATTEMPT at humor. My bad.

Its not quite as bad as it sounds, the miles were heavily loaded on the front and back ends, the middle was pretty leisurely.

This is the simplified version I hear the most... Does my commute to work count? Who says it needs to be off-grid? I will concede that that is what most of us here strive for, but it’s not necessary for the definition above. We did a 10 day, 5000 mile trip from MN to CA. We hit Rushmore...

I'm not sure if you've spent much time around those enclosed trailers, but I would not consider them off-road ready. I've used a bunch of different ones as a rental store employee and a landscaper. It'd be easier to get a HF/Northern trailer with a RTT off road than one of those.

I hear you! For me fishing is not something that'd take up any of my time. When your summer job was living on a 32' boat (half of it work deck) and handling 120,000 lbs of salmon in 3 weeks, you don't really come home to more fish!

That’s cool, how difficult are the trails? I don’t see myself taking it on difficult trails.