Five Years In and what I'd start with today...

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Picture this: It is six in the morning, 40 degrees, and I am on my knees in the dirt like a penitent sinner, wrestling a ground tent that has turned feral overnight. Jagged rocks are poking my fifty year old knees with the enthusiasm of a prison riot, and the tent is fighting back like it knows it has already won. This was one of those ninety second deploy miracles, allegedly engineered by cheerful people who have never tried to stuff nylon rage back into a bag the size of a loaf of bread. At this moment it was less a tent and more a personal vendetta.

The rest of the group was already packed, standing around sipping coffee and watching me perform what could only be described as interpretive dance with profanity. During that 20 minute episode I could only keep thinking: Next time I'll be in a rooftop tent! I will sell blood. I will sell organs. I will sell other peoples organs. Whatever it takes.

I love the exploration part of overlanding. The off road wandering. The camping. The camaraderie. But this particular brand of bargain basement suffering, this doing it on the cheap nonsense, felt suspiciously like work. That was one of my first trips. Start simple they said. It will be fun they said. I started simple. It was maddening. But, bare with me. That is what I thought at the time.

Fast forward a little over five years. I have crossed the country coast to coast, knocked out multiple back country discovery routes, and even ran the full Continental Divide from Mexico to Canada. Thousands of miles later, with a truck that looks like it has opinions about things, I am rebuilding the whole rig again. Version 3.0 is in the works as I type this post. The twist is that this time I am tearing things off instead of bolting them on.

I am pulling more than 1500 pounds off the truck. Boxes. Gear. Gadgets. Dreams. I am simplifying, because experience has a way of slapping you upside the head and taking your credit card away.

I have approached that new version with this thought: If I were starting over, knowing what I know now, what would I do?

First, the platform. I would still choose my Raptor. I am a large man of advancing age and long distance comfort matters. The suspension is comfortable straight from the factory and that counts for a lot when you are rattling your skeleton across entire states. Tacomas are excellent. Tons of aftermarket support, which I absolutely did not have when I started. Jeeps are fantastic too. If I were smaller and younger, I would happily run one of those and never look back.

What you do to the platform depends entirely on how you use it. When I first got my truck, I talked to my dad and became convinced that I needed a winch for self recovery. Over all those miles, all those trips, I never once used it to pull myself out of trouble. Not one time. It is gone now. The lesson is simple. Do not overthink modifications. Take the truck out. Have fun. Live with it stock for a while. Your wants will very quickly turn into needs, and the difference will become painfully obvious.

I would throw a cheap tonneau cover on the bed just to keep the dust down, because if you go off road, dust will find you. It always does. I would add a basic water cooler. A cheap Walmart camp stove and some propane. A dust and waterproof box for dry food, which is worth spending a little money on. Grab a shovel because sooner or later you are going to need to dig a hole to handle personal business. Bring good toilet paper. Not the John Wayne kind that is rough, tough, and does not take shit off anyone. Put it in a zip lock bag. The toilet paper. And, some man wipes are also a gift from the gods.

Yes, I would use that same ninety second deploy tent again. I just would not waste time trying to wrestle it back into its bag until I got home. This is a simple truth that somehow escaped my brain on that first trip. Get a cheap heavy sleeping bag. A cooler is a cooler. Buy a Yeti if you want, but over three days you will not see much difference in my experience.

As for recovery gear, without a winch you are not really self recovering anyway. So get a toolbox. Put JB Weld, duct tape, and bailing wire in it. Flex Seal and a good silicone lubricant are worth carrying. Hit Harbor Freight and buy sockets and screwdrivers specifically for your truck. And buy five ten millimeter sockets in various configurations. Socket. Drill. Driver. You will never find all five when you need them, but hope springs eternal.

Your real recovery tool is communication. Being able to call someone who can come get you or bring you a part. For that, Starlink has been a revelation. It is not cheap, but you can turn the service on and off when you are not using it. The ability to make calls and access the internet from basically anywhere makes it a piece of kit I would never go without again.

And honestly, that is it. Go out and live with your setup. Take short trips. Take long trips. Go solo. Go with groups. You will start to notice things you want because you think they will make everything easier or better. Sometimes they will. Often they will just make it heavier. Fight the urge to add weight at every turn. Weight kills a platform faster than almost anything else. Trust me. I have the receipts.

If I were spending money early on, it would be on Starlink, a good ninety second deploy tent, and a refrigerator. Yes. A refrigerator. Expensive, sure. You will need constant power and probably another battery, and I would stick with a portable unit for flexibility. But compared to a cooler, a fridge is a complete game changer. If you do this kind of travel more than a few times a year and not just weekends at the lake, you will never go back. I do like my roof top tent though. I'd probably end up with a sub $1000 version, eventually.

Was that a rant. Probably. I hope there was something useful buried in the madness. I am thinking about doing a new video on version three of the build soon. I am also deeply lazy at the moment, so that may take a while.

Good luck. Welcome to the overland community.
 
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@socialpants funny how we all go through it, it is like a 12 step program where you are only kind of willing.

I started sleeping in the truck X-terra back then, that worked for that and a R50 Pathfinder. Until I did a 7 day backcountry trip, started looking at RTT at the same time I replaced the Pathfinder with a Land Rover Discovery II. Rust and the need for a good engine refreshed killed the old girl off, now I have an LR4 (Discovery 4) . Back to sleeping inside, the 6 foot bed makes that easy.

And with a new truck, time to thin down the gear yet again.
 
@socialpants funny how we all go through it, it is like a 12 step program where you are only kind of willing.

I started sleeping in the truck X-terra back then, that worked for that and a R50 Pathfinder. Until I did a 7 day backcountry trip, started looking at RTT at the same time I replaced the Pathfinder with a Land Rover Discovery II. Rust and the need for a good engine refreshed killed the old girl off, now I have an LR4 (Discovery 4) . Back to sleeping inside, the 6 foot bed makes that easy.

And with a new truck, time to thin down the gear yet again.

I am such a fan of thinning down the gear. We're overdue for one.
 
yeah, I've seen numerous other threads on here echoing the same sentiment....

it is hard NOT to overdo it when traveling. hey, we're Americans...we were taught early on to work hard and buy stuff and that "success" is measured in comfort.
the ultimate success, would be to go out into the wilderness and be able to bring that comfort along with you. I had a friend years back that bought a giant 5th wheeler all decked out just so he could go to a remote campground and watch football games on his giant TV while outside cooking on his grill. it wasnt about exploring or enjoying nature...it was about bringing comfort to an uncomfortable place.

personally...i'm not that bad, but I am bad. example: a couple years ago we were out somewhere boondocking and the wife was sweeping out the camp trailer and fussing about the mud that I tracked in. so, for our anniversary, I bought her a cordless vac for the trailer. the intent of the vac was to bring her comfort while cleaning on trips. and to be honest about it...I knew the sound of the vac would help drown out the sound of her fussing and thus bringing me comfort as well...

but seriously...who takes a vacuum cleaner boondocking? (she lost the charger 1st trip with it and then bought a 2nd broom. the vac with the dead battery is still in the cabinet "just in case we ever find the charger..." the 2nd broom was because the 1st broom didn't reach into corners very well...

and to further add to the struggle...a lot of us are also of the mindset of being overly prepared and bringing extra for "just in case..." I know this to be true because every trip we go on...we always bring back at least half of the food we took uneaten and over half of the clothes we took unworn.

I had posted before that the 2 most important items for me are (1) good hiking boots (2) good mattress/pillow
we pretty much travel to go hiking and exploring, so good hiking boots are essential and we have to have good sleep. even a crappy trip can be tolerated if you have good rest. so, with that knowledge...the wife and I completely emptied out the camp trailer and then only loaded the "bare essentials". that was several trips back and, once again, we have a dozen different flashlights in the flashlight drawer, a rats nest of charge cords that we don't know what they go to, propane heater, electric heater, diesel heater, and multiple pairs of unworn hiking boots under the bed and enough canned goods stashed in there to feed my in-laws for months...

I cant even count how many times I'm in the house looking for something, only to hear the wife yell out "Go look out in the camper..." and sure enough...there it is.
Like I said...we're AMERICANS...we live for excess!

so yeah, once again we have more stuff than we can carry. the good news is that we have another anniversary coming up and the wife is fixin' to get a cargo roof rack ! :grinning:

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Been looking at some changes meself. The Tacoma has been a great performer for me as long as gas mileage and plush comfort is not a factor. Now looking at full-size for my old body. Not sure I can justify a Raptor but think a V-8 would be nice. Maybe a V-6. Not sold on these turbo 4-cyl. that Toyota has come up with. Seems like maintenance problems in the long run not worth it. Haven't really started looking/researching yet. Recommendations for engine and transmission would be appreciated.

The RTT has been nice for the most part. Lots of room and being up high is nice but in the name of simplification and weight reduction... Been looking at these HAVEN Tents/hammocks with a stand that maybe could replace the RTT. Anyone have one? I could put a shell on the bed and the Haven setup probably cheaper than a middle of the road RTT. Another plus is I could sleep in the bed if the weather gets really rough.

May pull the trigger on the Haven setup soon and see how I like it. New truck may have to wait until I find what I think I need. The old Tacoma will get me back home for now.

Also, been seeing a lot about titanium cookware. Not new but wondering how it rates as camp cookware. Not for weight so much as easy clean and durability. Not having to worry about scratches, etc.
 
@FishinCrzy look at cot tents, I have one I used for wet trips. Only a couple but it worked well for me. And as a bonus, you can use the cots as just a cot. I have the Night Cat and the cot is a nice size.
 
@FishinCrzy I can't guide you on trucks or cookware. But I’ll say this: whether it's a Raptor or a rust bucket, a full-size rig has its perks.

@FishinCrzy @rgallant Those cot tents? Sure, they’ve got potential for comfort and saving weight, but I’m all about fast setup and breakdown. My trips are a blur of off-road chaos, rolling into camp late, eating whatever’s edible, and passing out in 30 seconds flat. I just watched those tent demos on YouTube, and if "quick" is your goal, you might as well be building a house. Still, don’t let me kill your vibe. Keep me posted on how they work out for you. Maybe you’re onto something. I’ll be watching!
 
yeah, I've seen numerous other threads on here echoing the same sentiment....

it is hard NOT to overdo it when traveling. hey, we're Americans...we were taught early on to work hard and buy stuff and that "success" is measured in comfort.
the ultimate success, would be to go out into the wilderness and be able to bring that comfort along with you. I had a friend years back that bought a giant 5th wheeler all decked out just so he could go to a remote campground and watch football games on his giant TV while outside cooking on his grill. it wasnt about exploring or enjoying nature...it was about bringing comfort to an uncomfortable place.

personally...i'm not that bad, but I am bad. example: a couple years ago we were out somewhere boondocking and the wife was sweeping out the camp trailer and fussing about the mud that I tracked in. so, for our anniversary, I bought her a cordless vac for the trailer. the intent of the vac was to bring her comfort while cleaning on trips. and to be honest about it...I knew the sound of the vac would help drown out the sound of her fussing and thus bringing me comfort as well...

but seriously...who takes a vacuum cleaner boondocking? (she lost the charger 1st trip with it and then bought a 2nd broom. the vac with the dead battery is still in the cabinet "just in case we ever find the charger..." the 2nd broom was because the 1st broom didn't reach into corners very well...

and to further add to the struggle...a lot of us are also of the mindset of being overly prepared and bringing extra for "just in case..." I know this to be true because every trip we go on...we always bring back at least half of the food we took uneaten and over half of the clothes we took unworn.

I had posted before that the 2 most important items for me are (1) good hiking boots (2) good mattress/pillow
we pretty much travel to go hiking and exploring, so good hiking boots are essential and we have to have good sleep. even a crappy trip can be tolerated if you have good rest. so, with that knowledge...the wife and I completely emptied out the camp trailer and then only loaded the "bare essentials". that was several trips back and, once again, we have a dozen different flashlights in the flashlight drawer, a rats nest of charge cords that we don't know what they go to, propane heater, electric heater, diesel heater, and multiple pairs of unworn hiking boots under the bed and enough canned goods stashed in there to feed my in-laws for months...

I cant even count how many times I'm in the house looking for something, only to hear the wife yell out "Go look out in the camper..." and sure enough...there it is.
Like I said...we're AMERICANS...we live for excess!

so yeah, once again we have more stuff than we can carry. the good news is that we have another anniversary coming up and the wife is fixin' to get a cargo roof rack ! :grinning:

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My tiny teardrop trailer keeps me from overpacking; space is VERY limited! It’s kinda like living in an oversized cardboard box with a built in kitchen. No elaborate decorations or oversized cooking contraptions for this girl. My focus is clothing and gear for utility. And camera gear, which I’ve streamlined over the past year. I wholeheartedly agree with having a comfy bed and good hiking boots (or trail runners, with a backup pair for when I destroy the first pair). I’m also partial to being clean before I crawl into that bed, so a campground with a shower, a portable shower system or at least a lake/river in which to swim.
The other thing I’d start with? A packing list, actually multiple lists - for weekend trips, extended travel, front country, offroad, etc. Fine tune those lists based on your experiences, keep what works and offload the dead weight items after each trip.
Finally, never carry your credit cards when walking around Overland Expo…
 
@FishinCrzy I can't guide you on trucks or cookware. But I’ll say this: whether it's a Raptor or a rust bucket, a full-size rig has its perks.

@FishinCrzy @rgallant Those cot tents? Sure, they’ve got potential for comfort and saving weight, but I’m all about fast setup and breakdown. My trips are a blur of off-road chaos, rolling into camp late, eating whatever’s edible, and passing out in 30 seconds flat. I just watched those tent demos on YouTube, and if "quick" is your goal, you might as well be building a house. Still, don’t let me kill your vibe. Keep me posted on how they work out for you. Maybe you’re onto something. I’ll be watching!

They are actually pretty quick at least the nature cat, I set mine up in about 15 minutes. But as I am doing a mini build on my Land Rover LR4 (Discovery 4) I will take out and setup as part of my shake down, but yes just crawling in the back of truck is nice.
 
My tiny teardrop trailer keeps me from overpacking; space is VERY limited! It’s kinda like living in an oversized cardboard box with a built in kitchen. No elaborate decorations or oversized cooking contraptions for this girl. My focus is clothing and gear for utility. And camera gear, which I’ve streamlined over the past year. I wholeheartedly agree with having a comfy bed and good hiking boots (or trail runners, with a backup pair for when I destroy the first pair). I’m also partial to being clean before I crawl into that bed, so a campground with a shower, a portable shower system or at least a lake/river in which to swim.
The other thing I’d start with? A packing list, actually multiple lists - for weekend trips, extended travel, front country, offroad, etc. Fine tune those lists based on your experiences, keep what works and offload the dead weight items after each trip.
Finally, never carry your credit cards when walking around Overland Expo…

Very interesting stuff here, solid intel from the field.

For my purposes a teardrop camper sounds charming right up until about halfway through day one, when it would be reduced to kindling for the evening fire. That is not a criticism, just an honest assessment of my lifestyle choices. That said, the packing lists hit home. Long trips live or die by meal planning, even though nothing ever survives first contact with reality. Still, having a brain dead grocery list keeps me from wandering the store like a confused raccoon at midnight.

This reminds me of something I added to my V3 build, what I lovingly call the "tech manual." It is a small notebook I ordered from the depths of the interwebs, loaded with clear plastic sleeves. Inside said sleeves live the instruction manuals for every gadget I own, torque specs and bolt sizes for the usual mechanical betrayals, wiring diagrams for my custom second battery setup, and even the paperwork for my hydraulic jack with built in jack stands. At my age, this thing is worth its weight in bourbon when something inevitably goes tits up on the trail. I still forget how to operate half the features on my ham radio, and I have owned the damn thing for years.

And yes, let us be honest here. Carrying a credit card at an Expo is more dangerous than lighting a cigarette at a gas station.
 
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they're called "tear drop" because you cry and then drop to your knees every time you hit your head on the 3' tall ceiling...

we started out with a similar type called a "square drop", I guess its called. it is a hair taller, BUT I still had to either go outside or lay down on the floor to be able to put on a pair of pants. we made canvas organizers that utilized snaps to hang on the wall and carry stuff that was low profile and didn't need a lot of space. that helped a little at first, but was quickly overcome by our ever increasing inventory...

as @socialpants noted...those are a bit tricky to work with. we still have ours, but its been sitting unused the last 4 years as we upgraded to a cargo trailer conversion. I REALLY like the small camp trailer and it was absolutely perfect going off-road and thru narrow and winding roads. VERY maneuverable and had a lot of compact features...I'd say it will be good for one person, but two was pushing it and then add our pitbull to the mix, and we just needed more space. I really thought that if we got a smaller trailer, we would learn to take less, but instead, we just went bigger...

this is a great thread and I totally realize that we simply just take too much stuff...and I am REALLY jealous of people (@ZombieCat) who can make a tear drop work, because, deep inside, I want to travel like that and I kinda hate myself for feeling the need to carry so much on a simple trip.

am I going to change? probably not...

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and to further add to the struggle...a lot of us are also of the mindset of being overly prepared and bringing extra for "just in case..." I know this to be true because every trip we go on...we always bring back at least half of the food we took uneaten and over half of the clothes we took unworn.
I never knew being overly prepared was a thang!!:dizzy: My philosophy is that I had rather have it and not need it than... Weight and gas mileage are a distant second to things not going according to plan and things go real far South. If it a critical piece of equipment, like making my morning coffee or taking a successful dump, there will be backups to backups. If there is room on the truck the space will be reasonably filled accounting for priorities. Now remembering how and where I most ingeniously packed it can be an issue. And one learns quick to pack the lesser likely used things to a place it hopefully won't be moved/unloaded/reloaded, etc. more than twice....a day. But, hey, we probably needed the exercise?? That part about food and clothes bringing home unused is an indicator of success in not getting caught short. Never a good thing.

Don't even get me started on my fishing gear! 98% of the time I use 2% of the gear. If I am adventuring to unknown locations and various targets I hate to be caught short! Home waters I know the target game better and have more confidence in selected gear, thus less mess.
 
In the middle of a re eval now, decided to sell my off road trailer, got to get ads going or that will not happen LOL, sorting things in garage. I am the type that gets set up and "done" then somthing will trigger me and I am off to a new search, now the trigger may be in 3 mos or 3 years after being "done", but it happens, then after a ton of searching (for info) which can take time, I usually end up buying/changing/doing something and once completed, I am "done"...... till the next trigger.

I am a mess.

Jim
 
Now this is a fun thread!

We all go through iterations during our journey. I started with a cheap tent, tossed in the back of my 04 Colorado, with a cheap cooler that wouldn't hold ice for more than two days, and the ability to hold in my poop for up to 5 days.....

I eventually got rid of that truck, and switched to an 03 Xterra. I plan on holding onto that vehicle until it becomes impossible to source parts for... I love that thing.

I've rebuilt my storage setup three times now, with each iteration changing what and how I store things. The first was just a platform I put bins under. This worked, but things ended up being messy, and finding bins the right size was an exercise in frustration.

The second iteration added a second battery, a fridge, wiring, and drawers! I liked this, since I had a drawer dedicated to being a kitchen. No setup required for cooking. Open drawer, lock fuel in stove, make coffee. I ran this setup for about 3 years, and loved it. It's now in my wife's Xterra.

My third, and current iteration keeps the drawers, but modifies the layout. Drawers are taller, and I lose the slide out table under the kitchen drawer. Wiring was simplified, and I changed from a 100Ah mini, to a full size 100Ah with low temp protection, since I do go out when it's cold. I also have a platform that extends to the back of the drivers seat, that I can sleep on, if I want to. But I can also easily remove it to gain access to the other half of the rear seat.

The other drawer in the setup is dedicated to tool storage. As it's an older vehicle, things break. I have a full array of sockets (impact only), wrenches, and electrical tools. I also have an impact wrench, drill, and on really long trips, I also carry a cordless ratchet, and angle grinder. All 20v,and all on the same battery.

My fridge is on a diy tilt slide, and this is the best way for me to go.

Most of my gear has moved to the square drop, and this is how things will stay for the foreseeable future.
 
I never knew being overly prepared was a thang!!:dizzy: My philosophy is that I had rather have it and not need it than... Weight and gas mileage are a distant second to things not going according to plan and things go real far South. If it a critical piece of equipment, like making my morning coffee or taking a successful dump, there will be backups to backups. If there is room on the truck the space will be reasonably filled accounting for priorities. Now remembering how and where I most ingeniously packed it can be an issue. And one learns quick to pack the lesser likely used things to a place it hopefully won't be moved/unloaded/reloaded, etc. more than twice....a day. But, hey, we probably needed the exercise?? That part about food and clothes bringing home unused is an indicator of success in not getting caught short. Never a good thing.

Don't even get me started on my fishing gear! 98% of the time I use 2% of the gear. If I am adventuring to unknown locations and various targets I hate to be caught short! Home waters I know the target game better and have more confidence in selected gear, thus less mess.

I am fully on board with the gospel of over preparation and I do carry a large amount of emotional support equipment. Make no mistake, I lean hard toward unnecessary comfort whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Everyone has their own deranged use case and that is the point. If you fish, you pack enough fishing gear to supply a small bait shop. If you love cooking at camp, suddenly you are hauling a mobile kitchen [trailer] that could handle brunch for twelve. That is the beauty of this whole strange obsession. It is deeply personal and slightly unhinged.

For me it is all about speed. Quick deploy. Quick exit. No wasted motion. I operate on a strict and sacred routine that I have optimized through trial, error, and mild caffeine dependency. First coffee. Second coffee. Speaking out loud. Without that first cup I am not a conversationalist. I am a confused witness to my own morning, looking into the sunlight and wondering who invited words to the party so damn early.

But, regarding the weight question. This is where I start sounding less like a carefree wanderer and more like a paranoid accountant. I worry less about the price of gas and more about the slow mechanical revenge of carrying too much nonsense for too long. Suspensions remember. Bearings keep score. Every extra pound is a quiet promise of future maintenance, delivered later in the form of strange noises and expensive appointments. I am not afraid of the pump. I am afraid of the long term consequences of pretending my vehicle does not feel the burden of my indulgences.
 
@grubworm my teardrop is definitely a one person setup. It also helps to be, well…limber and maybe a bit shorter, lol. If you like a converted utility trailer, the Anti-Shanty is amazing, although the price is a wee bit steep. I also just heard about a new teardrop-type trailer built by CampinAwe. They boast more room, low weight and a rugged build. I’ll have to see it to confirm their claims.
@socialpants I agree that everyone should find what fits their style of travel. I was initially convinced that a RTT was the Holy Grail and my ultimate destiny. But alas, I was lured by the siren songs of hiking and photography, rather than conquering rugged off-road terrain. I realized that I prefer to base camp (girlie likes her daily shower!) and explore on foot, toting far too much camera gear in hopes of snagging Nat Geo level images. I pivoted on a whim and bought a like new trailer before the covid rush. Five years later and still lovin’ it!
 
I absolutely LOVE threads like this. Takes me back to before covid, when the hard core folks would have a well thought conversion.

I'm a big fan of options, personally. I like to go out by myself, and in the winter. Even then, I still typically take the trailer. It's a matter of ease and convenience. I can roll into camp, and be ready to go to sleep in less than 5 minutes, if necessary, or, we can deploy awnings, and all the extra goodies, and have a super nice, comfortable setup to hang out in to get out of the sun, and rain.

The roof top tent now lives on my wife's Xterra, and we've used that with just the two of us as well. I still very much enjoy sleeping up there, but typically, that's where my daughter sleeps when we all go, since she's too big for all 3 of us to comfortably sleep in the trailer.

I also have a sleeping setup where I sleep in my xterra, for when I do REALLY rough trails. Or, I can sleep in the arb awning room, if I want.

The trailer wins when it's cold though. Having a 280Ah battery, 12v blanket, and diesel heater, along with a TV makes things very nice.
 
If I were to start over, I’d just throw my sleeping bag, pad, a bag of cold pizza, and a gallon of water in the Tacoma and spend the night at a state park.

I’d go home and decide what would have made me less miserable and add it to the kit, what I didn’t use and leave it home, and iterate into a kit that fit.
 
I think everyone rethinks their setup over time! I've gone to smaller, clear storage totes that are easier to lift and easier to identify what's in them just in the past week as I prepare for my trip to the Daytona 500 this coming weekend! On my old truck I had a rooftop tent, with my new truck I went the Gazelle Pop Up tent route and a cot for sleeping! I'm 56 and the best thing about not having a rooftop tent is getting up to piss in the middle of the night a few times is a lot easier! I have 4 camping trips planned now through the end of April so I'm sure I'll find better ways to do things after every trip!