Rude? Yay or nay

[MOAK]

I really try not to judge people, I try to only observe. We were camped at a dispersed sight recently, tucked away, nice and private. My wife and I went for a walk after supper. Before we got even a few yards a couple of ATVs came roaring up to us. They stopped and the lead driver started yelling at me over the noise of the engines and through her headgear. I indicated I couldn’t hear a word she was saying. She reluctantly turned the engine off and asked, if we minded if she took her friend back to our camp to show him where she had camped before. What am I supposed to say? No? They were already in our camp. Unfortunately, they did not walk the rest of the short trail in, they road in on their machines, starteling my brother in law. They never got off of their machines, they road around the camp, then left. Proper camp etiquette would have been for them to shut down their machines, walk to the edge of camp, and upon communication, wait for an invite. And people wonder why we avoid campsites within a hundred miles of any populated areas. Rude or not? What’s your verdict?

 

[Todd S.]

It was definitely Rude.  It could’ve been due to ignorance. I know I have done things in my past that I look back on and realize I should have handled that differently.

 

[Speric]

I can see wanting to show a spot from a past trip, but actually going into your space that's already set-up? No way, unless escorted. And even then then probably no. To ride in, that's totally not cool. I probably would've stopped her when she started her ATV up again and ask they walk in since some folks are relaxing back there and don't care to hear or smell your 2-stroke zipping around. I can't imagine doing something like that. I would've gotten close, and pointed, "over there where those folks are at, that's where we camped" and left them be.

 

[shansonpac]

Totally rude and disrespectful.

 

[smritte]

Gawd....cant fix stupid. Its not like they couldn't have gone up to the edge and told (whoever) "that's where we camp" and left. That goes along with the groups who stop in the middle of the road and have lunch. Totally oblivious to anyone else driving that route. When you drive up and cant go around, they look at you like you are the one causing issues.

 

[MidOH]

Rude.

But get some thicker skin. Most people like motorcycles. Prime overlanding trails, are prime bike trails to.

... and how do you startle someone with a thumper? Somebody needs his hearing checked. Lol.

Wait until someone's horse drops 15# of poop on your kids beach blanket. Then you'll have something to complain about.

 

[MMc]

Was it rude, absolutely, Are you giving them to much energy ? Yes also. A guy cuts you off while driving and you spend the next 10 miles deciding what level of hell he deserves and how to get him there. Meanwhile he just going to wherever. Who is better off? Certainly not you!

 

[TCorona]

Unfortunately... there will always be 'those people'; rude, inconsiderate, disrespectful... unless you get further out in those areas of difficult access, you just have to expect it and deal with it

 

[MOAK]

Rude.

But get some thicker skin. Most people like motorcycles. Prime overlanding trails, are prime bike trails to.

... and how do you startle someone with a thumper? Somebody needs his hearing checked. Lol.

Wait until someone's horse drops 15# of poop on your kids beach blanket. Then you'll have something to complain about.

My brother in law is a religious man by profession, he was deep in meditation at the time. My skin? Extraordinarily thick.

 

[ScottEtkin]

Obviously rude. That is why your answer should have been no. It's not rude to deny someone their request...it's all in how you deliver your response. On another note...please start judging people by their actions! If you're in the backcountry you need to be able to read people by their nature. Enough of the touchy feely crap. There are to many wolves out there! Stay safe friend.

 

[MOAK]

Was it rude, absolutely, Are you giving them to much energy ? Yes also. A guy cuts you off while driving and you spend the next 10 miles deciding what level of hell he deserves and how to get him there. Meanwhile he just going to wherever. Who is better off? Certainly not you!

Agreed, this happened over a month ago. Angry? Definitely not. Enraged? Nope. This was, unfortunately, expected behavior from city folk, entangled in the rat race and not knowing how to free themselves of it. As a farm boy I migrated to Los Angelus area. Culture shock ensued. No one seemed to have the time to be polite or considerate, therefore what I saw as rude and obnoxious, in LA, that behavior was/is considered normal and acceptable. Now? I simply observe the cultural differences. Was she rude? In my world and many others, yes. In the cultural world of cities and the rat race? Probably not..

 

[MOAK]

Obviously rude. That is why your answer should have been no. It's not rude to deny someone their request...it's all in how you deliver your response. On another note...please start judging people by their actions! If you're in the backcountry you need to be able to read people by their nature. Enough of the touchy feely crap. There are to many wolves out there! Stay safe friend.

Yup, quite good a reading people. It’s second nature to me, goes right along with situational awareness. In 68 years I’ve never had any problems with humans that could not be headed off at the pass, and with a smile.

 

[MMc]

Agreed, this happened over a month ago. Angry? Definitely not. Enraged? Nope. This was, unfortunately, expected behavior from city folk, entangled in the rat race and not knowing how to free themselves of it. As a farm boy I migrated to Los Angelus area. Culture shock ensued. No one seemed to have the time to be polite or considerate, therefore what I saw as rude and obnoxious, in LA, that behavior was/is considered normal and acceptable. Now? I simply observe the cultural differences. Was she rude? In my world and many others, yes. In the cultural world of cities and the rat race? Probably not..

I grew up around LA and still live in it's burbs. I don't think it's living in the city, it's people being self centered and dicks. There was a guy that ran cattle buy our house, his place was away from everybody, he was a rude, pain in the butt. There are givers and takers in this world, nice and buttheads, many are are just obtuse, it's not where they live but who they are.

 

[grubworm]

Rude or not? What’s your verdict?

totally get why you ask. i hold myself to a fairly high standard regarding how i interact with folk and when i experience something like that, i always question myself first. are my standards just too high or are the the other folk really just that messed up?

actions like that are indeed "rude" when you hold them to a standard of being respectful and thoughtful of others. however..."rude" is not the same as it was 30 yrs ago. today, the younger folk are pretty much indoctrinated that everything is permissible and the only feelings that matter are their own and youre the "rude" one for not accepting their bad behavior.

 

[MOAK]

I grew up around LA and still live in it's burbs. I don't think it's living in the city, it's people being self centered and dicks. There was a guy that ran cattle buy our house, his place was away from everybody, he was a rude, pain in the butt. There are givers and takers in this world, nice and buttheads, many are are just obtuse, it's not where they live but who they are.

True, I know a lot of folks that lived/live in the burbs. They aren’t all dicks, but the ones that partake in the rat race, are not self aware. Yup, we had an old angry farmer lived down the road from us growing up. Even after he died, he was still a jerk LOL

 

[MOAK]

totally get why you ask. i hold myself to a fairly high standard regarding how i interact with folk and when i experience something like that, i always question myself first. are my standards just too high or are the the other folk really just that messed up?

actions like that are indeed "rude" when you hold them to a standard of being respectful and thoughtful of others. however..."rude" is not the same as it was 30 yrs ago. today, the younger folk are pretty much indoctrinated that everything is permissible and the only feelings that matter are their own and youre the "rude" one for not accepting their bad behavior.

Truth, or be labeled a hater by them. When my girls were teenagers and I’d be working on something and needed to pass, they’d get irritated because I wouldn’t excuse myself. I’d just look at em and say- hey, I’m the one working here, you’re just lounging around, excuse yourself for being in the way.. LOL, we joke about that to this day, once they grew up, they got it.

 

[rgallant]

More inconsiderate than rude, but it is the way of things, here SW BC since covid we have a had a huge influx of people heading out to the back country. Most are decent, but the number that dump garbage, ride quads at high a speeds and unsafely have also increased.

Example had one come around a corner in heavy dust just miss the truck in front, slide sideways a bit come at me in the position. He missed my Disco by less than 6 inches and kept driving like a lunatic, you can not fix stupid you just have take a deep breath and let it go.

 

[Advtres]

If by rude, you mean uneducated and classless, ill-mannered and discourteous then I think based on your description, 100% Rude.
Funny, I can not remember a bad experiance with other wheelers, but the atv/razor clan, more then a few…Have no idea why..

 

[PNW EXPLR]

I feel this boils down to communication, or the lack of it possibly.
Them - "Hey, can I go show my friend your camp spot?" (Was kind that they asked!)
You - "Sure I don't mind, just do you mind walking over so that the bikes don't make a bunch of dust and disturb the others in camp."

How we communicate is critical in life. Make no assumptions that other will make the decisions you would without communicating your thoughts to them.

 

[MOAK]

I feel this boils down to communication, or the lack of it possibly.
Them - "Hey, can I go show my friend your camp spot?" (Was kind that they asked!)
You - "Sure I don't mind, just do you mind walking over so that the bikes don't make a bunch of dust and disturb the others in camp."

How we communicate is critical in life. Make no assumptions that other will make the decisions you would without communicating your thoughts to them.

Pretty sure I said ATVs, some here have intertwined bikes into the conversation and in my humble opinion, they are not the same animal. To your point, I’ve always been an optimist and have very rarely been let down with what I assume is normal behavior. It seems there are a few entitled folks that do not lead an examined life. Therein lies the problem, I could have communicated my wishes, which would have been “No we are here to enjoy our privacy”. Instead, I assumed they would do the right & proper thing, ( assumed because of my optimism) view from atop the rise at the entry to camp and move on. I was taken aback that they rode past us and down. If one sees this as normal behavior or blames a lack of communication as the culprit or that this behavior is being normalized because so many behave like this, therefore it should be accepted, then I’d say our society is in deep doo-doo as this kind of behavior renders common sense and common courtesy to the dust bins of antiquity.