Same.To me, “overlanding” ( the word makes my blood curdle because the umbrella has become so large that the term no longer has any meaning) is traveling & living out of a vehicle that is capable of traversing to & from the most remote regions available to us is a self sufficient manner. I liken it to backpacking with a vehicle.
Which, with a little luck, I'll be doing later this year in my WJ. Probably take 3 days, 2 nights to do it... so "Overlanding" by definition, and most people would consider the Rubicon Trail a legit "Off Road" trail (a lot of people call it the hardest trail in the West, or even US, but anybody that's seen Fordyce or any number of WAY harder trails knows that's BS).Agreed, just as an example you can be doing both if you go to the Rubicon trail.
When you run it, I want to see pictures.Which, with a little luck, I'll be doing later this year in my WJ.
Ah ha, you date yourself. 1976? We used to go four wheeling in a friends pickup truck back in the early 70s in Ohio, but I really began all of this camping thing in SoCal out of a VW bug back around 74 or 5 or so. Got my first serious vehicle in 76, 30” tires, no locker, open diffs. Back then we just called it, let’s go out to the desert.Same.
I have been "Off-Roading" my whole life (starting in 1976). That's what it was called. No one really had lockers and the biggest tire you saw was a 35" (common was a 32"). In some of the magazines, people would say "overlanding" or "adventure" but that was it. It was still called "Off-Road". Some times my "Off-Road" trips were multi day and sometimes they were day trips. The cool part was, the only difference between backpacking and "Off-Roading was whether or not I got to carry an ice chest.
A few years ago someone drew a line in the sand and said you did one or the other. Now you have people new to the sport who are confused. This is why we need videos to tell us the difference. I guess now I'm categorized as an "Overlander" and not an "Off-roader". My current rig has no lockers. That means I cant run the Rubicon or Dusy trails.
Lots of great info there! I haven't run Fordyce in my own rig, not sure I will. IMHO it's a loooooot harder than The Rubicon, if you're doing all the Winch Hills. But yes, when I do The Rubicon I'll document it for sure.When you run it, I want to see pictures.
I've run it several times and It's been ten years since I was there last. Its a fun route, easily doable in a day and a half. There's a few spots off the side to camp, away from the trail if you want to extend the trip time. If I was to go back now, I would stage in one of the campgrounds at the entrance and run the "non" Rubicon routes then run the trail itself. If you ran Fordice, Rubicon is easier (or was). If you haven't run the Dusy yet, go there sometime. I stage at Shaver Lake (camp Edison) for two week's, run that and all the trails out there. Dusy is about the same difficulty as Fordice but, in a dead run from one end to the other, its 3 days. I spend 5 on it.
Yup, just my opinion... and you know what they say about opinions...